Niecy has the juiciest, spiciest life outside of Kim Cattrall. [laughter] She lives big in such a wonderful way. Oh, we can get more on that later. This one really likes to cut a rug. Yeah. Um, but it’s all about us and building each other up and what I do know, I know about discipline and how to be professional and how to be on time and how to make sure that I’m prepared and know my lines.
>> literally seen this woman with a baby on FaceTime, a computer running a business, a law book, a script, flashcards, all the things. This is the real deal. I’m someone who really had to fight hard to get a job for a long, long period of time. From Mama Mia, welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
I’m Laura Brodnik. >> And I’m Katerina Lukich. >> And we have a very special episode today because it is very much devoted to a very buzzy new TV series that everyone has been talking about. The announcement for it actually set a record for the most watched trailer in Hulu’s history. And that is the show All’s Fair.
It’s a new entry into the Ryan Murphy universe. And we are lucky enough to have some of the main members of the cast on the show with us today. Um, I really want to know though, what is this show about? Cuz I’ve seen the trailer now. We know that it’s like a really glossy Ryan Murphy drama, but like what is this show giving us? Yes, so Ryan Murphy had This is a new entry to his universe, which is, you know, American Horror Story, American Crime Story, The Feud series, The Monster series.
Um, and this very much fits into this world even though there’s no monsters on the surface to be seen and no demons or vampires, but it is kind of, from what we’ve seen from the trailer, just as bloodthirsty as those shows, just in a different way, more like verbally bloodthirsty. So, All’s Fair is a new drama about a team of female divorce attorneys who leave a very male-dominated firm to open their own practice.
And the lead of this series is Kim Kardashian who plays Allura Grant. Okay, can we talk about the names of all the cast members because they are wild. The The cast names are not real names. They’re It’s very Ryan Murphy to do it like that. Yes, yes, they’ve got So, Allura Allura is Kim’s >> Yes, Allura Grant, that’s Kim’s character.
Yeah, all these characters in are incredibly named. So, we have Glenn Close as Dean Standish, Sarah Paulson as Carrington Lane, Naomi Watts as Liberty Bronson, Niecy Nash as Emerald Green, and then Tiana Taylor as Milan. I love Tiana Taylor. >> stand-out. She’s really good in this, from what I’ve seen from the trailer, because we should caveat this with the fact that we have not seen this show yet.
>> has really been under lock and key. Like, it has been, even through the whole press run, a lot of the press around it has been about the cast’s outfits, which I will say the fashion in the trailer looks pretty amazing. It’s very, very high-end and cool. But we don’t really know that much about it apart from what we got from the trailer.
Yeah, exactly. And can I just say it’s very uncommon to do a press junket like this and not to see the show or movie first. Cuz normally you do get to see it. Sometimes you have to go to a tiny screening room and it’s just you and a security guard who watches you in night vision goggles to make sure you’re not recording.
That has happened to me many times prepping for interviews over the years. Or they send you a secure link and it’s watermarked and if it gets shared, they can trace it back to you. But the last time I did a set of interviews and I wasn’t allowed to see the product was Barbie. Like, that’s how high the stakes were. But at least with Barbie, they showed us the first 15 minutes of the movie and then cut it and then showed us a selection of clips.
So, at least you had a little bit of an idea. But going into these interviews, I watched the trailer, which as I said, set a record for Hulu. I read like the small little one-page production notes that they gave us. And apart from that, that was it. Okay, so who else is in the cast apart from Tiana Taylor? Yeah, it’s really interesting.
We’ve got like a few a few people who are in the Ryan Murphy universe, like Grace Gummer, Meryl Streep’s daughter. I know she doesn’t like to be called that, but I feel like if your mom is Meryl Streep, it is okay to say that. But she’s been in American Horror Story and some other Ryan Murphy products before and she’s incredible.
We’ve also got Elizabeth Berkley from Saved by the Bell and Showgirls. >> And Showgirls, yeah. I know, I wonder if like cuz Showgirls very famously tanked her career because that movie was so poorly received and she just got absolutely raked over the coals and people just said she was the worst actress in the whole world.
And before that, she was such an up-and-comer coming off the back of how loved she was on Saved by the Bell. So, I was like, is this Elizabeth Berkley, is this her her second act? >> I think because Showgirls had such a cult like it got this cult following for being famously bad. Like, I actually love that movie cuz it’s so terrible.
>> Well, we do now, but when it came out, it tanked her career, yeah. >> it was so bad for her, she got so panned. But then now it’s become that really, really a cult movie. >> Yeah, now it’s iconic. She just suffered for 20 years, that’s fine. But she was in the Saved by the Bell reboot. She like brought her character of Jessie back.
Um, so maybe from there, I don’t know. >> that she’ll be good. I think this will work in her favor off the back of that sort of reimagining of that Showgirls, you know, on TikTok I’ve been seeing a lot of the clips on TikTok lately. Maybe Ryan Murphy’s picking up on that and like taking some of that. >> Well, he Ryan Murphy, as we said before, he loves a nepo baby and he loves anyone adjacent to like that very old-school Hollywood fame, campiness, that sort of stuff.
So, when he’s looking for a lot of side characters, that’s often where he looks. He also has Jennifer Jason Leigh, like the iconic Jennifer Jason Leigh, in this series. Brooke Shields as well. She gives a real standout performance from the trailer, from the scene. [laughter] And also Jessica Simpson. >> I saw that. >> This is really exciting.
So, one thing you should know about Jessica Simpson is that she [snorts] has become friends the last couple of years with Kim Kardashian because their daughters are in the same class at school. Wild. >> Yeah. And well, I mean, I guess like all rich people’s kids, especially in those LA schools, hang out together. But Jessica Simpson’s oldest daughter, Max, is friends with Kim Kardashian’s oldest daughter, North.
And Jessica Simpson’s often like posting, you know, photos of Max going over for like a playdate or like Max hanging out with North or like the setup for North’s birthday. Not in a weird way. You can just see that she’s like thrilled that her daughter made the right connection. >> [laughter] >> And then at the premiere, Jessica Simpson said that she was really stunned that Ryan Murphy called her to be in the series, saying that she’s like, I just got the call. I definitely said yes.
I never expected it. And she also said that it wasn’t the normal ditzy, dumb blonde role that she’s been offered in the past cuz that’s how to how she made her Dukes of Hazzard. Yeah, and Employee of the Month and all those kind of Remember there was a stage there where Jessica Simpson was the movie star of the moment.
>> Yeah. She had like 10 movies come out in a row. She had during Dukes of Hazzard, that was like peak Jessica Simpson in the Daisy Dukes, those mini shorts. You know, she did the song Boots Are Made for Walking around that same time. She sort of redid that song. And that was like peak Jessica Simpson. >> Yes, that was like her like after like Newlyweds had been a hit and there was this whole thing about how much weight she lost and how she stopped eating so she looked tiny for that role.
>> commercial, like a Carl’s Jr. commercial around that time as well. >> Jr. commercials, Kim Kardashian used to do them as well. They always got like the hottest girl of the moment to do them, yeah. And so, Jessica Simpson did have like a lot of movie roles. But I guess what she’s saying here is true. She always played that same girl-next-door, but like very sexy, but very ditzy, kind of unaware of what’s going on character.
And she said that Ryan Murphy was like, we’re not doing that this time and gave her a role in the show that was very empowering. And she’s like, I thought about it every damn day since. Cuz obviously she had a bit of an intense Not only did she have a bad breakup with like Nick Lachey, but then she had a very bad breakup with her husband, Eric, after they had like been together for ages and raised their three kids.
And so, she’s getting divorced or is divorced. It’s kind of she’s like in the midst of that at the moment. >> I quite appreciate how, you know, we know Ryan Murphy uses sort of similar casts. I mean, Sarah Paulson is a favorite of his. I mean, I think that’s very clear. But it’s really nice to see him kind of branch out to other people and give them give them maybe an opportunity.
Like, you know, we’re seeing Elizabeth Berkley or Jessica Simpson and like putting them in and Kim Kardashian, I guess, to some extent. But yeah, it’s great. I’m I’m really interested in it cuz it’s definitely a very high-gloss. It’s super stylized, like really fashion, like a lot of where they talk about meat curtains. That’s quite the quite the entrance into the world.
The The dialogue is like classic Ryan Murphy. It’s like very over-the-top and camp, but like very sharp and like very like insults hurling every minute. So, we kind of know is that we have a group of women, which is like the Kim Kardashians and Naomi Watts as like their characters, who have set up their own law firm, which is representing women in divorce and really going in hard to get this these women the money that they deserve in their divorces.
At the same time, Kim Kardashian’s character, Allura Grant, is going through her own divorce and kind of suffering the consequences of that. And then Sarah Paulson’s character, Carrington, starts representing her husband and is very much has a vendetta against Allura. And so, you kind of see it.
So, it’s sort of like Sarah Paulson is like facing off against all the other female characters, but she plays such a good villain. She’s my favorite when she’s playing a villain. >> The edging line in the trailer, that really I was like, “Whoa.” Yeah. It’s quite intense. Yeah, so it’s meant to be a fictional story and that’s what Ryan Murphy has said.
So, a little bit of it was hooked on, obviously, Kim Kardashian training to be a lawyer and saying she wants to become a trial lawyer in 10 years when she’s ready to stop being Kim Kardashian. But also, Kim Kardashian during the press run of this where she’s done a few interviews that have come out already, very limited. As we’ve said before, they’re sort of keeping everything back till the last minute.
But Kim Kardashian has also said that one of the inspirations behind this show is the famous LA-based attorney, divorce attorney, Laura Wasser. Do you know Laura Wasser’s name? >> The name is like it’s there. >> Yeah. >> But I can’t You’ve probably seen her in every article about a high-profile celebrity divorce or messy divorce for like the last 15 years or so.
I remember her name popping up in like when I used to read this sort of stuff in like old-school magazine tabloids. So, she has represented so many high-profile people in their divorces, including Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears, Johnny Depp, and of course Kim Kardashian multiple times, I do believe. >> well, no, Kim Kardashian has had to sell She’s like the only one Oh, yeah, she’s been divorced like I was third third one.
Yeah, yeah, her she’s third third divorce. Yes, so Kim Kardashian has spoken at the fact that Laura Wasser is like a really inspiration for this series. So, she’s part of an LA-based firm and one of the reasons that cuz she has sort of become a celebrity in her own right. She’s actually the inspiration for Laura Dern’s character in Marriage Story as well, that Laura Dern won the Academy Award for.
Even though Laura Dern said she wasn’t specifically trying to be Laura Wasser, she was inspired by her and they actually filmed some of the scenes in her legal office. So, there’s a big tie there. So, Laura Dern’s already won an Academy Award. Now Kim Kardashian is doing her next big her like big lead acting role around Laura Wasser.
That’s how powerful she is. And um she has become a bit of a celebrity in her own right over the years, not just because she’s the woman at the center of all these big celebrity divorces, but just for the way she handles them. So, there’s two reasons why she has said herself that people are always hiring her and she has so much word of mouth now she is like turning people away.
One is that if you’re a very rich celebrity and you’re marrying someone else who maybe doesn’t have as much money as you and you want them to sign a pre-nup, so to kind of protect your assets if the marriage fails, she’s always said that she’s very happy to say to like the rich person, “I will stop you from looking like the bad guy.
I will go to your like future bride most of the time and say, ‘Oh look, he doesn’t want this and he really loves you and he’d be so angry about this, but I am demanding that we have a pre-nup.'” Because she’s like I’d rather people hate me than like start their marriage off on a bad note. So, she said that has got her a lot of referrals over the year that she’ll kind of come in and set up the pre-nup without it looking bad on either side.
It’s not great that she’s saying that out loud because anyone that represents [laughter] I know. Is going to go, “Oh, hang on a minute. Aren’t you known for doing that?” >> Yeah, being the one who >> or my partner actually does want to get a pre-nup with me. >> Yeah, being the one to kind of smooth it in.
The other is that she’s really good at handling high-profile divorces and she has represented a lot of women over the years and Johnny Depp, so you know, it’s all it’s all come out in the wash, I guess. But she’s also really good at keeping out of the public eye. So, apparently she’s really good at mediating behind the scenes and stopping it from going to trial because as we know it once it goes to trial, it’s all public and it’s all on the public record.
So, she’s very good at those kind of back door dealings of like, let’s get let’s get everyone their money, let’s get the divorce happening and let’s keep the information out of the public eye, which is why a lot of these high-profile divorces of people she’s spoken about haven’t really made it into the news cycle.
So, that is pretty much where Kim Kardashian was very much drawing her inspiration and energy from for this role. >> And so it kind of seems to me from what I could gather from the trailer is it’s like really strong women who run their own sort of firm. Kim is the the the owner of the firm. Is that how it is? >> I don’t know if we know that information, but I guess that that all those points will make themselves known.
But yeah, those themes of like I guess like power and revenge, taking your power back, pushing against men are all like a very big kind of part of the show. And so going into interviews, that was the question I wanted to ask cuz looking at this cast lineup, it’s like these are all such powerful women. They’re all women have been who have been in the industry, whether it’s the film industry, the TV industry, like modeling, business owning, all these things, musicians.
It’s this kind of amazing mixture of women who have been in the business for so long. That’s the thing too, it’s very it’s not very often where you have a show. I think it was Naomi Watts who was saying like it’s not very often where you have a show where it’s like all the it’s not just a huge cast of women, but all women who are in their 40s and 50s. Yeah.
And all the supporting characters are also that as well. >> Okay, so what were your pairings for your interviews? >> So, the first interview that we’re going to play for you is Sarah Paulson and Naomi Watts. And the theme of like taking back your power and like how they brought these characters to life was what I wanted to ask them.
The setting the scene for this cuz I know like the Spillers love a little behind the scenes. Often a lot of celebs will come to Australia and we’ll get to go sit in a room with them and chat to them and film the interview that way. This time they weren’t coming to Australia. But I would have gone to LA, but that wasn’t offered up.
But we ended up filming it here in the Spillers studios very very very very very early on a Saturday morning. You know, I’m not a morning person, so >> That’s 7:00 a.m. on a Saturday in the office. That shows commitment there, you know. That’s tiring. >> I felt like that clip viral clip of Adele where she was like, “Here I am in full glam
glam at 8:00 a.m. in the morning.” That was me, full glam at 6:00 a.m. in the office chatting to first up Sarah Paulson and Naomi Watts. And there is one point we’ll put the video on our socials where they look off to camera and sort of get told off by a potentially giving something away. So, see if you can pick up that moment, but otherwise here is the delightful Sarah Paulson and Naomi Watts.
Hello, this is Laura from Mamamia. How are you both? Good. How are you? I’m very well, thank you. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me, especially during such a big week with the premiere last night and the trailer going viral. How was the premiere? Is it the kind of event where both of you are sort of out on the dance floor with your castmates celebrating or are you getting home to There wasn’t a dance floor.
There wasn’t a dance floor and I didn’t hear anything. I mean there was music, but nothing that made me have to and believe me I this one really likes to cut a rug. Yeah. But there was there was no rug cutting. We will do this in Paris. London or somewhere. We we will make it happen and get back to you. Oh, good. We’ll report.
>> What’s the point if we don’t photograph it? Did it Exactly, thank you. I’m very happy to hear that. So, I wanted to start by asking you both about your characters cuz this show has been so secretive. We haven’t been able to see the screeners. We’ve seen some tastes of the behind the scenes.
Can you tell me both a bit about how you brought these characters to life? >> [laughter] >> Go ahead. Um well, I play Liberty Ronson. She’s an English lass and feels a little bit out of the group, a bit on the outside, which I know what that feels like having moved countries here and there. But I she takes work very seriously.
She’s very passionate about her firm and about the women who run it and solving the problems of these other women who are coming in otherwise sort of falling apart and and so she’s really deeply passionate about that, but she’s also got this side show going on of her own, which is you know, not uncomplicated and um you know, probably motivating a lot of her need to fix things, but she’s got her own kind of fears and obstacles in the way.
I play Carrington Lane who is lovely. Even tempered. Totally relaxed Carrington. >> [laughter] >> Relatable. She’s Tiana’s decided to call me a menace. My character is a menace. She’s a menace to society, which I quite like even though I hope and I don’t know this for sure because I can only speak to what I was trying to do.
I don’t know if this was successful, which is that It was. Most of her her behavior is motivated by feeling unseen and sort of left out and and and funnily enough like Liberty and like all of the women in some way, we are all like there together, but everyone has their own sense and feeling of being slightly outside or not sure, you know, where your place is in things, which I think is a very common human experience that is sort of dramatized in a way that’s quite nice.
But but really Carrington, she seems like the world’s most awful person, but really she’s just the most injured person and so she you know, hurt people hurt people and you know, and so that’s sort of how I decided to approach it, but also she’s just kind of a villain. I don’t know what to say. In her own way. Yes, so we’re speaking of her being a villain.
From the trailer we can see she has some of the best line is some of the best insults. I think whole lawyer just plays over and over in my head. And the moment where you get to throw glass of water in Glenn Close’s face. Did you have a favorite insult or moment from Carrington that you like going to whip out in the future if anyone wrongs you? I I do like calling a person beef curtains.
I think >> [snorts] >> I did do that. I think more than once. I mean I I I don’t know if I have any lines I plan to use on people, but I did laugh out loud a lot when I would read them and I just could hear Ryan like in the writer’s room being like, “This is what I think she should say.” and I could just imagine him doing it and I just thought, “Well, this is fun.
” They were also funny to hear when you’re on the when you were receiving them. outbursts and fun and you know, and sometimes we gave a little more. >> [laughter] >> We over egg the pudding, baby. We we created a thing that was on the page a little bit. I think in episode I don’t know if it’s seven or eight, something in the latter half of the season that was definitely there, but Naomi and I sort of ramped it up where we’re competing for for Glenn’s attention and it’s I from what I understand it it’s quite fun.
Oh, okay. What a great teaser. Can’t wait to see that. And I wanted to ask you both a little bit of the themes of the show because from what I’ve seen from the trailer and the clips, it’s very much about women regaining their power, getting out of a bad situation. So, I wanted to ask you both as powerful women in the industry if there’s a moment of your careers where you’ve had to sort of use your power or step away from something or make a decision and and how would you sort of bring that experience to these roles?
I think I’ve done it more in life than in work environments, actually. By way of mostly just trimming the fat, I feel. I’ve as I’ve gotten older, my circle of friends has gotten smaller because it just I I just I guess don’t feel like I have interest or time in spending time on friendships where it’s not being reciprocated or the kind of, you know, I’ve just it’s become very clear to me what I require and what I give and what I expect to be given in return.
And if someone can’t do it, then I you know, I’ve been able to sort of But I didn’t I wasn’t I wasn’t able to do that before. I think I had too many feelings or worried about too many things and now I’m a little better at that kind of self-care but it but it’s not so much in work. I’ve not ever really I’ve been very lucky.
I’ve been working for you know, almost a decade with Ryan a lot and I feel as Naomi was saying earlier like it there is nothing more powerful than a man that’s that powerful that empowers you, you know, and given me a countless roles to play that are all different and has continued to just be like you, I choose you and for whatever that reason is, it has been like a very confidence-building thing for me.
So, it’s like I happen to have a very strong male presence in my life who has been very very generous. Oh, that is incredible to hear. What about you, Naomi? I’ve forgotten the question. >> [laughter] >> We were talking for so long about something. No, your answer was incredible. Have you ever had an experience at work or where you’ve needed to kind of assert yourself? I loved your story.
I loved it. Um I can’t think of anything where I’ve had to I I mean, certainly I think you used the word confidence and you know, over time that is something that develops. I mean, I’m someone who really had to fight hard to get a job for a long long period of time until I met David Lynch and and then things kind of rolled quite smoothly.
I mean, not to say I haven’t had you know, troughs and valleys along the way. You know, it’s been it’s my trajectory has certainly not gone like that. And you know, there’s been lots of things that have factored into that, you know, choosing to live in New York and stay there and only work there for a period of time while my kids are in school as well as you know, yeah, can’t go on the road or you know, I mean Yeah, so many things and but I think that confidence is earned over time and and you know, when you’re invited to be an executive producer for instance, your
voice does matter and people do listen to you especially when it’s involving the creative process. Yes, and that’s such an incredible message from you but it’s No, no, no, that was that was just perfect. We don’t have any anecdotes for you which is another thing we decided to stop doing once we became 50.
We decided no more anecdotes. Okay, [laughter] good person. Well, thank you both so much for your time. It’s been so lovely to talk to you. Thank you. >> [laughter] >> I keep wanting to wave at you. I don’t know why and I’m sorry. Oh, Sarah Paulson just seems like such a vibe. I know. I just all of my life lessons from her.
Like when she was talking about like choosing which of her friends to cut out and like taking her power back is just so interesting. And it’s so funny watching cuz you hear Naomi say like, oh, I forgot the question cuz I was so enraptured in your story. And yeah, Naomi Watts is just like staring at her in awe as I was kind of taking that in.
So, yeah, they’re they’re so fabulous. I could talk to them all day. Yeah, I’m too old for >> [laughter] >> I loved that. I know, it’s so good. Oh, they’re so good together. Okay, your next grouping. You’re the three three people? Three of them together, yeah, for a short interview over a screen. It was just like all the things coming together but you know, we do what we can and we’re all we’re all busy women.
And also it’s so funny cuz I was not complaining but I was like, oh, I’ve got these early morning interviews and I’ve got no time to prep because it’s last minute, rah rah rah. And so many people like you’re interviewing Kim Kardashian, she does like 20-hour days and never complains.
So, basically they were like, check yourself. And I was like, yeah, fair enough. Absolutely fair enough. >> what? That is a fair fair critique. >> Yes, so they popped up on the screen and it’s just like something out of a fever dream. I’m sitting here in this chair that I sit in every day to do the podcast and in the screen in front of me pops up Glenn Close, Kim Kardashian and Niecy Nash.
And that enough that would have been enough. I mean, yeah, and like Glenn Close It was overwhelming. Kim’s one thing but Glenn Close is just and like they’re all incredible actors, obviously. Well, actually I don’t know if Kim’s an incredible actor yet. I haven’t really seen her. I didn’t see her in American Horror Story. She is an iconic person.
Yeah, Glenn She’s an iconic person. It’s It’s interesting that the three It’s almost like I went numb because it was too well overwhelming because if it had been any of them individually, I would have died. I’m obsessed with Niecy Nash. I I not only love watching interviews with her, I love her performance. I love when she does an acceptance speech.
I just think like the world has become a particularly obsessed with her in the last few years. >> comedic timing. Great comedic timing, great dramatic actress. She’s always good in a Ryan Murphy show. Love her. And then you’ve got Glenn Close who is like the brand of movie star that we don’t make anymore.
Like old school iconic movie star. She’s just looking at me politely and expectantly. And then Kim Kardashian is sitting in the middle just It was just It was almost too much. Yeah, this is a this is actually a great a perfect question cuz you know, people I bet ask you all the time, do you ever get nervous when you interview people? After you’ve been doing it for a while, you kind of get used to it but there are still moments where you look at what you’re doing and it’s kind of a bit out of body. It was weird.
Yeah, I actually think I would have been less nervous in person. There’s something about that that where you’re able to sort of you walk into the room, you make eye contact with them. You can sort of like you’re sitting so close you’re sitting together, you shake their hand.
You have a little quick pre-chat while they’re setting up the cameras. And so you have that moment. It’s like they’re just sitting in front of a screen and my face just flashed up and and I’ve got no time to spare. So, I had to jump straight into my first question and it’s almost like they looked a bit shocked of like, oh, we’re going straight away.
>> And it’s so fast. Like it’s you know, you get a few minutes and they let you into this room digitally and you kind of just have to like do it and then within a few minutes, it’s over. Yeah, and it feels like you And then you’re like, okay, bye. It’s just such a fever dream but yeah, everything about it was like yeah, very interesting.
There’s a part in the interview you’ll hear about Kim Kardashian’s sort of prep for the role which has become a huge story that we’ll talk about more after the interview. But what I also think is interesting is just how the show was built around her because when I was telling people that I was doing these interviews, they’d say, oh, Kim Kardashian, she’s part of the show.
There’s obviously people with like real lives and jobs who don’t follow entertainment so intensely. And I’d say, yeah, she’s not only the lead of the show but the show was made for her. She is top billing over Naomi Watts, over Glenn Close and that is the way the show is Yeah, exactly. But that is the way the show is set up and so Ryan Murphy said that all of those women signed on without seeing a script just knowing it was him and a show starring Kim Kardashian and they all said, yes, I want to be in that. And these are women
who obviously like they’re part a lot of them are part of the Ryan Murphy universe. So, they just want to work with him in general but they also wanted to work with Kim Kardashian as the lead actress in the show which I think has been kind of glossed over in some reports of people being like, oh, now she’s trying to be an actress.
But the way it came about is Ryan Murphy said, I really want to meet Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner and that was his plan. And he said he went into their first meeting and for the first time ever, he was going to pitch a reality series. He wanted to pitch something around Kim Kardashian as a reality star. And he [snorts] said he sat down, he got into the meeting with Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner and he’s like, instantly it was the worst pitch I’ve ever done.
And he’s like, you know, you can tell that you’re losing Kim Kardashian when as you’re speaking, she picks up her phone and starts looking at that. So, I didn’t feel too bad if I thought Kim Kardashian was looking down when I was talking cuz I was like, she’s a busy woman. If you lose her for a second, she’s onto her next task.
>> Yeah. And so apparently he finished his pitch, he knew it wasn’t good and Kris Jenner was the one who said, that was great, sweetie, but actually it’s not the way we want to go and you should write a scripted role for Kim. So, obviously that kind of parlayed into her being Yeah. Queen mama momma duh.
Like, you know, she can do no wrong. That woman works very hard. Exactly. And again, a lot of people have been saying, why is Kris Jenner standing next to Kim Kardashian on all the red carpets for All’s Fair? Like she’s such a stage mom pushing herself in there. But she’s not cuz she is a producer on the show and she helped make it happen.
So, she that’s why she’s on the carpet. She’s not there as a mom. Well, quite frankly, they’ve they’ve all been had producer credits on Keeping Up and Kardashians for very long time. So, they they know how it works. They know how what it takes to put a show together whether scripted or reality. I know it’s slightly different but they would still understand how how it works.
Yeah, absolutely. They’re they’re they’re masterminds behind the scenes. So, that all came into Kim Kardashian being in the last season of American Horror Story American Horror Story Delicate opposite Emma Roberts but then Ryan Murphy started putting this TV show together around Kim and around the idea that she’s becoming a lawyer in real life.
So, let’s get her to play this very fictionalized kind of cutting, powerful and glamorous version of a lawyer. How was she in American Horror Story cuz I didn’t watch it. This yeah, this is a complicated topic for me cuz I love American Horror Story. I just love it. I love every season. I love all the players.
I love everything about it. She was quite good and that is that is high praise. Here’s the thing, it wasn’t my favorite American Horror Story season by a long shot. It felt a little bit uneven. It wasn’t the best production value. It didn’t feel like it was leading. It’s not one of It’s not in the top ones.
And that show has the ability to turn out incredible seasons of television. That’s why I was sort of a bit like, “This is kind of leaving me a bit like empty feeling.” But watching it, Kim did hold her own, and she felt fine. The only time that I felt like she was good working opposite Emma Roberts, there was a good dynamic of their characters that Kim came off not looking out of place.
Like if I didn’t know it was her first acting role, I didn’t know she was Kim Kardashian, I wouldn’t have watched the show being like, “Oh, she’s acting.” It wouldn’t have felt jarring. Like she felt like she fit. The only time I kind of felt a bit like, “Ooh, I can tell she’s a bit new to this, a little bit green.
” was when she did a few scenes with a lot of the other character actresses who make up the Ryan Murphy universe, like Leslie Grossman in particular, and you saw them acting together, and I just had this thought of like, “Oh, if Kim Kardashian wasn’t in that role, it would probably be Leslie, and Leslie is just acting circles around her.
” But she has also been doing this for 30 years, so that is fair enough. So actually, she was she was quite good. It was just hard that she was in a season of one of my favorite shows that I didn’t love. So it’s a complicated dynamic. I’m excited to hear this interview. But I can I can see why he rehired her again cuz there was such a reaction, there was like a new energy, and everyone from American Horror Story Delicate said that she was very professional, very prepared, very good at her job.
Which is interesting because something I ask in the interview that you’re about to hear is asking about that level of preparation cuz I just thought it was so interesting that she is one of the most talked about women in the world, one of the most filmed and photographed, but there’s still so much of her life that we don’t know.
And I think people would normally think the part of her life that we don’t know is the scandalous side. But I do think it’s the more like Even though she talks about how much she’s a hard worker, and I do believe that, I I honestly think that that’s a much bigger part of her life that we don’t see, and there’s so much that behind the scenes that isn’t captured.
So I asked her about that, and the women have a very intense response to it. So here is Glenn Close, Kim Kardashian, and Niecy Nash. Hello, so lovely to speak to you all. Hello. Hello to you. Uh so I wanted to start off by asking, there’s been so much interest in the cast of this show, and people looking at the behind-the-scenes videos, and seeing you all the red carpet on the premiere last night.
And Niecy, I saw a quote from you where you said that you all had a lot of time to spend together and to dig into each other’s personal lives. So I wanted to ask you, working together, what’s the most interesting thing you learned about each other making this show? Oh. I still have a lot to learn. I always want I always want to um I don’t know.
I um Niecy, I wanted to learn more about the church that you grew up in. You know? Those are store the stories there that I want to learn, and >> Oh, girl, how much time you got? I know. And [laughter] you were talking today about going into your dad’s office and looking at stuff and from his trials and that.
I’ll tell you what I thought later. >> [laughter] >> The one thing I learned is that Niecy has the juiciest, spiciest life outside of the movie set. She lives big in such a wonderful way. And is just the happiest person, and she just It’s We are all in awe of her of her private life, and Yeah, that’s true. We’ll need more on that later. Yeah.
[laughter] So just to live life and have fun was a really good lesson. She makes me She makes all of us want to just have a little bit more spicy fun on the side. Okay, great to hear. Love to hear. I’ll take that cuz it’s probably true. It is true. It is very true. And um I wanted to ask you all a little bit about the themes of the show because um Glenn, there’s this great line from your character in the trailer, which is all we’ve got to see cuz this has been very much under lock and key, where your character says that men are terrified of
women in power. And I love that as a theme of the show. So I wanted to ask you all as very powerful women in your industry >> [snorts] >> if that has been your experience and how you’ve all sort of regained your power in this industry. I don’t know if men are I think they are terrified of women in power, but it’s more that I don’t know if it’s like the women in power.
I think they’re just don’t want to ever give up their power no matter who it’s to. And they’re definitely not going to be beat out by a woman. Ego-wise, I think. So But we don’t have any of those problems here. There was a study made of women in power, and asking women and men about the the women that the leaders, the quality that they felt most compelling, and both men and women said a very feminine woman who does who isn’t strident.
So I’m not sure. I think that’s more traditional. Yeah. Well, this this This show is overturning that. >> power. Yeah. And and there really aren’t many male, you know, there isn’t a male lead cast on this show. So it is all about women power and building each other up, and our law firm doesn’t really care about, you know, the men in power that are going to come and try to take that from us cuz they’re not.
It’s all about us and building each other up, and and building up the women that they have wronged in these divorces. I mean, it’s very apropos because I think there’s a lot of misuse of power out in the world today, and it’s how you use your power. Yes, yes. That’s a very interesting way to look at it.
And um Kim, I wanted to ask you a little bit about your experience of preparing for this role and your move into acting because I think that anyone who has watched your shows or follows you on social, we’ve heard mention over the years of you having like 15-hour days and then going and working with an acting coach and doing all this prep behind the scenes.
So I wanted to ask you how you prepared for this big leading role, and what the audiences who tune into your life, what they haven’t seen. Yeah, I I worked with an acting coach, Nancy Banks, and when I was working, I think I filmed something um I was filming American Horror Story, and then when we were done at midnight, I I was filming my show, but we got on a Zoom with my acting coach at midnight.
And I had to rush back to do that. So um I still did that. You know, we’d film long days, and then when we were done, I would always make sure that I was prepped the next day with her just over the phone. But I think the best lessons, you know, that you can learn in acting is what you’re watching and who you surround yourself with.
So I was really um blessed to be able to work with women that are the top in in this field. And just to see them every single day, I would learn more and more. But what I do know, no matter what field I was coming into or arena I was stepping into, I know about discipline and how to be professional and how to be on time and how to make sure that I’m prepared and know my lines.
And that was important to me that I made sure that all of those were in my control. And then when I was on set, just do the best that you can, and you have great people whispering in your ear how to do things a little bit differently when you need to. What you know what I’m going to tell you is that if someone saw you doing that on your show, it wasn’t fluff.
Whoever saw it, I don’t want you to think that, “Oh, this is something that they filmed for behind the scenes.” I have literally seen this woman with a baby on FaceTime, a computer running the business, a law book, a script, flash cards, all the things. We get off late at night, and she’s like, “Oh, well, I’m going to have my acting class while I’m in the car.
” That’s why I would do it in the car. I know. It was an hour ride home every night, so I would do it every night. No matter what time, she would be there for me, and we would do the next day’s work for that hour on the car ride home. Yeah. So that that’s that’s not phoning it in. This is the real deal.
Yes, well, we can very much see that, I think, from this the teasers and performances we’ve seen. Um I think that is all we have time for, but it’s been so wonderful to talk to you all, and we are so excited for the show here in Australia and to see the full thing. So thank you so much for your time. So it was it was an interesting response.
It was a bit defensive, and I understand why they they were. Cuz they probably just want to like protect their friend or or their their colleague now on this show. >> Yeah, it was interesting, and it’s one of those things where you do wish you had more time you could explain the question more. Because what I was trying to get at was that I have watched a lot of the Kardashians.
It’s a reality show that I not only watch for work, but I mean both Keeping Up With the Kardashians and The Kardashians, the two iterations. I watch it for work, but I think it’s the only reality show I would watch even if it wasn’t my job. And I’ve watched so hundreds of hours of it at this point.
And so when I was setting up for the interview, I thought, “What do I remember about Kim Kardashian from those hundreds of episodes?” And it came to me that quote where that scene where she had worked 20-something hours, and she had to be up at like 3:00 a.m., and then she went online and did this big acting lesson with her coach.
And I was just like, “You just don’t have to do that. Like you already have everything. You don’t need to do that.” But I can’t imagine having that level of like drive and and dedication. So I asked her about that, and I think one of the reasons why they had um Niecy in particular had a very strong response is ever since all the women signed onto this project and they filmed the show, the one question they all have been asked is what was Kim Kardashian’s like work ethic like.
Not like what was she like as a person, even though they’ve been asked that. Not what what her acting was like, but this It’s like everyone was hunting for this headline. Do you know what? That she was difficult, that she wasn’t prepared, that she wasn’t good, and they just didn’t get it. And so now they’re being a bit kind of they’re like powerfully responding to it.
And I I think it’s fair. And it’s interesting cuz I actually my initial response was, “Oh god, Kim’s acting.” But I think maybe we need to just give her a little bit of an opportunity. And she does work very hard. Say what you will about, you know, all of their businesses and what they’ve done, the success of her {quote} “unquote” empire is off the back of her working hard, whether you like the stuff that she puts out or not. Yeah, exactly.
>> a hard worker. But the fact that she’s doing a full day and then getting in the car and then doing an acting class on the way home, when after a full day of working like that you would be so sucked of energy to then go and read your next pages and work further in the car on the way back.
I imagine energy-wise that would be quite draining. Yeah, and I just thought that that was kind of an interesting insight to also how long this process has been in the works and just the dynamic between them all. And yeah, it’s also it’s so interesting how good Kim is at being guarded in videos. Like that moment where Glenn Close is like, “This stuff you found in your dad’s office.
” And she’s like, “Yeah, I’ll tell you about it later.” Like completely keeping it off camera. Like she’s so focused on what she shares and what she wants to share. It’s almost I noticed during the interview that often Glenn Close and Niecy Nash, both women who’ve been in the industry for so long and who’ve done so many interviews looked to her before they spoke or looked to her before they sort of delved into a topic.
And I think it is because she was like not stage managing, but she’s used to being a producer. She’s also used to having being in control of what parts of her life are She’s got the final say, yeah. And she knows and people know about her personal life more, so she has to be more guarded. She has to have all of these things to say canned answers effectively.
Whereas Glenn Close, I mean, yes, you would may know about her personal life, but you’re asking her about her performance. You’re asking her about the show. You’re asking her about that. But this they knew and they’re probably getting sick of it. It’s actually quite nice to see them be Not Not for you. I know it wasn’t nice for you to feel like they were being But it’s like they they want They were protecting her and they wanted to be like, “She’s working really hard.
” >> Yeah, yeah. And that’s the That’s the funny thing is like Yeah, it was it was such a great response. It wasn’t until the sort of like the camera had turned off and I had a second to process what had happened. I was like, “Oh my god, did they think I was inferring she wasn’t a hard worker?” And I was like, “Maybe I should have yelled out, ‘Oh, by the way, I’m a fan.'” Cuz I am.
And I’m not a fan lightly. I’m not a fan of that many people, but I am a fan of Kim Kardashian and I think she’s got a really She’s carved out a really unique place in pop culture. >> Well, Niecy and um Glenn and Kim, if you’re listening, Laura didn’t mean it like that. >> [laughter] >> That’s just something I’ll stew over.
If there’s one If there’s one person you don’t want to have a Not that I had a bad interaction with her, but if there’s one person you don’t want to have a bad interaction with is Kim Kardashian. Cuz I don’t know if you felt this. If you have a bad interview with someone, every time you see their face somewhere, it’s like Oh yeah, it’s so bad.
It jolts you back to it. You know like, “Oh damn, that’s right. That That awkward interview I had.” And Kim Kardashian’s face is everywhere. I’m never going to escape her, so >> say something and or your mouth gets twisted or you say something wrong or it gets interpreted weirdly. >> So no one had to think that, but I’m sure Look, she ended the interview by being like, “We love Australia.
” So it was all It’s all fine. Guys, the country of Australia is safe. I didn’t give us all a bad name. So that is our interviews with the cast of All’s Fair. And All’s Fair comes out today on Disney Plus. We have new episodes dropping weekly. And after all the hype for this show, I’m so excited to see how it actually plays out.
But yeah, I’m just I’m so here for this show. >> I’m actually really excited to see her in this. I I I I have a good feeling about it. Yes, me too.
