Creating this whole album i was like this is my last album i’m probably going to make like i’m like over it. My chance was maybe a couple years ago and like that was it and like now i’m like slowly on like the decline and >> fans are genuinely going to be like so shocked by that song. It’s just >> people are liking it so much.
i thought unless i was doing that kind of like dance floor like music like that [ __ ] was i was like people are not going to like this like this is either going to be really bad or really good. >> like this is music that you as like a younger girl on tumblr would come across and be like i need to like >> reblog yeah definitely [laughter] hello everyone and welcome to the bop bible podcast.
i’m your host adam braver and you guys are about to be gagged by the guest i have today. She is an absolute legend at crafting album rollouts which we are seeing right now with her new album worst girl in america. Please welcome to the bop bible podcast slayyyter. Yay! I’m so excited [laughter] to talk to you today. How are you? >> to talk to you. I’m so good.
how are you? >> i’m so good. What is life like right now in the middle of an album cycle? Like are you just traveling all the time meetings? Yeah honestly it’s it’s like busier than i’ve been in a minute but i still feel like i like you know i make my time for everything. It’s just a lot of different stuff at once yeah.
and i’m like i feel a little scatterbrained like i keep like i’ll be like all like oh like plans for coachella and like festivals and all this stuff and i’ll like forget about this other thing and be like oh [ __ ] like i forgot i had to do this other thing and like you know. >> it’s a lot. I we’re definitely going to get into coachella too cuz i that’s going to be a huge moment for you and i’m excited to talk about it.
>> um but okay as a party girl who like travels a lot what is your favorite city to party in? Honestly i feel like i’m like winding down on my party days. I feel like yeah i feel like i don’t know it’s hard. I feel like new york is great because things are like you know open later there’s a bit more of like a nightlife scene but i feel like there’s an untapped beauty to like the la afters.
>> oh absolutely. >> because i feel like in la afters are more forced because the bars close earlier and there’s just something fun about getting drunk in a kitchen and like talking with people. >> oh you mean like those afters. I thought you were talking about like the downtown la like rave afters. >> no i don’t really i’m not a raver.
>> okay yeah. >> i’m not a rave girl. >> i’ve been kind of getting into like the downtown afters lately and very interesting but i love the community. I feel like the community is always so nice there. >> there’s very cool like electronic scene in la. I feel like my dj owen jackson who also he produced a a bunch of songs on this album.
he like is like really he like djs a lot of those things and he’s also like he’s just really into it and he has taught me a lot about or like showed me like a lot of like or not taught me a lot but like taken me to like raves and and things like that. But it’s like it’s not totally i feel like an old woman i’m always like it’s too loud which is insane that i would say such a thing but it is.
>> oh my gosh do you do you like to party in the midwest as well cuz you’re from the midwest? >> oh yeah that is like a different kind of partying. >> it’s different. I’m from the midwest as well. >> where are you from? Chicago but like the suburbs. Oh oh my god i love oh my gosh my cousins are from out there.
>> no wait you probably know cuz you’re from like the st. Louis area okay. >> suburbs. >> do you know of like champaign urbana illinois? >> champaign illinois yeah. >> yeah yeah so i went to school there like college there. >> oh wow. >> yeah and then moved out here but yeah no i had to ask you about that because you are such a midwest girl yeah.
and i feel like you incorporate a lot of that feel into this new rollout as well. >> and so before we start talking about the worst girl in america rollout i want to ask you about no comma because i feel like that song that was a song that you started teasing during your [ __ ] era and the fans just went like crazy and that song was visibly it was just very different from what the [ __ ] album sounded like.
so did the reaction to that song kind of inspire the direction for this rollout? I wouldn’t say the reaction to it did but that song definitely felt kind of like a building block to this like the future sound. >> mhm. I feel like yeah i was in i would got an airbnb in miami for like a month and i was working with my friend marvy who is from miami and we were going to the studio my hair was pink.
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i was like very like spring breakered out. I was like wearing you know like miami like gift shop clothes and i felt really inspired by everything around me and i was listening to a lot of like mia like a ton of mia like maya album and we kept going to the studio and i hadn’t really formed any kind of like next project yet but we were just starting on stuff and that song came together really fast and i just i really loved it and i feel like i kind of wanted to i at a certain point i wanted to do like a mixtape reloaded and got sometimes i get really like
Fixated on a certain thing even if it’s not the right thing to do and i was really like wanted to do like my tanning bed like a reloaded mixtape kind of like project or album or something and then after a while i was just like you know like i already made that project i don’t really need to like fully revisit in like a full scope like that sound unless i do it in a completely like newish way. Yeah.
um but yeah i feel like no comma kind of became a bit of a blueprint for like certain sounds to come even though i don’t think that it doesn’t fit on this album. Everyone is like >> yeah. Why is no comma not on the album? It doesn’t fit. Yeah i feel like it’s also just more so like the energy of it yeah that kind of like you you see with the angry yeah yeah the angst of it which i love. Thank you.
so this is an exciting era for you in many ways but one being that is your first record where you’re signed to a new label you’re signed to records in partnership with columbia and so what made you want to go this major label route? Honestly i feel i had the album almost pretty much completed before i even started like talking to them about signing but i just feel like in the like you know in the very early meetings um like my a&r juba like my very first meeting with him i kind of was explaining my plans for everything and talking about how like i
Want to be kind of like ugly in these videos and like this there’s a very heavy visual component to everything um and i was fully like prepared to do like no budget visuals just cuz like i didn’t know i was independent i didn’t really know like what what the resources were going to be and i just i feel like i explained to them kind of how this project is kind of like the anti-pop like pop album and like it’s not really dance floor like typical club music.
i was really inspired by like soulwax and sebastian and mia and like like death grips and like random like punk music and and i feel like everyone kind of got it like immediately so it made me feel more comfortable of being like you know what like i think this is a good home for everything and i would show them all these different songs and and i feel like they never would like try to push me in a direction that i’m not you know. Absolutely.
[clears throat] yeah cuz i assume you were probably talking to like other labels and teams around that time too right? Like >> even remember i think maybe a little bit but i just feel like everyone everyone there got it and then everyone from records just was really lovely and i feel like i feel like i have a good gauge of people and like personality and like i immediately know whether or not like i vibe with someone almost and i feel like i just really clicked with everyone that i met and i feel like everyone really
Understood me and what this music was and what my visual direction was and i i feel like in the early days i would say things were going to be a little more extreme than they even ended up being like i was like i really want to do gory like horror like really unsettling like the movie begotten and like and i feel like they were like kind of down for that and then it ended up not being so in that direction still a little bit of horror but like yeah like i feel like they were just down like when someone’s like oh i want
To look like ugly as [ __ ] in this video that’s not like a normally a label would be like what like okay but they like kind of understood that it’s like they got it. >> yeah. Yeah that’s really nice because i feel like a lot of artists when they sign to labels the label then like guides the creation of the music like with a&r and stuff but you had this album completed before even signing.
>> pretty much. I feel like they definitely set me up with some producers towards the tail end and like had a lot of like good ideas or like fits of like people to work with and two producers on my project i think are like signed also to like something with like i don’t know what like the thing is but like they’re they like work with similar people so it’s like almost like everyone is like you know yeah united in a way.
>> united on it yeah. I love that. So for this new album aesthetic i am obsessed with it. It’s completely different from the [ __ ] aesthetic. So what is your first step in creating like an album rollout? Is it the aesthetic or does the music come first? >> i feel like it’s both at the same time. I feel like it was very early spring 2024.
i had just gotten back from miami and like the no comma thing and i feel like i had just gotten back on tumblr for the first time in a couple years and um i feel like people weren’t really like on the tumblr resurgence like right at this moment but i just felt really inspired by a lot of visuals i was seeing and thinking about like my high school experience and like what my social standing is like then and now and how i feel kind of like always have felt like the same like i feel like a weirdo or something but like i think uh
Yeah i feel like the way i started dressing and the music i was making felt very tied like i feel like i’ll go to the studio in an outfit that like feels like what i’m making or is like directionally going there. Like i kept putting like little ipods in my hair and like you know what i mean? [clears throat] and i kept calling it ipod music and i feel like that basically is like a like a phrase just for like indie electronic from like mid-2000s like 2010-ish era.
Um and yeah, i could just see the visuals in my head and i feel like there were things about me and my life and things i’m interested in that i feel like would pour into the music. Like i you know, like religious imagery and like me growing up in a really catholic family and like what religion means to me now and like spirituality.
i feel like everything was starting to kind of like all the puzzle pieces were starting to yeah, so fit together. Yeah. What does that mean to you now? Like all of the like religion aspect of that and like including that in your music. >> for a really long time from growing up in like a catholic school and having religion be such a rigid this is what this is.
you either believe this or you don’t. I rejected it for a very long time and you know, i was like oh like i’m atheist or like i don’t believe in anything and like blah blah blah. Like when we die, we like see nothing. Then as i’ve gotten older, i feel like i’ve come around a bit and i feel like i feel spiritual or in touch with god in a way that is i feel like my personal way of of going about it.
i don’t i don’t really discount religion. Like i don’t think that just nothing happens when we die. Like i feel more in tune tuned with spirituality in a way. Um but i also think for me like religion is something especially like you know, jesus or christianity like to me that does not have anything to do with hatefulness. So it’s like i kind of i kind of like reject like the way i grew up or people that like use it or misinterpret the bible to spread hate.
Like i it sounds like such a corny sentiment, but it’s like god loves everybody. Yeah. >> like that can be very comforting sometimes, but i don’t know. I think that something that made me like draw back around it all is is with like my mom or my family. Like my mom her her mother died when she was like in her early 20s and i feel like she is very religious and you know, obviously she’s like a catholic woman, but she just finds a lot of comfort being like talking about how like like we would always call my grandma who i never met
Like grandma joan in heaven. And i’m like who am i to tell someone that that’s that they’re not there. You know? >> exactly. Yeah, and i feel like as you grow up too, you just start like changing your beliefs in a way. Um so yeah, i i really admire that you do that. Yeah. >> i think people get embarrassed to like say that they’re religious or like say that they have any kind of spirituality or whatever, but i don’t really feel that way anymore.
i think as long as i think that sometimes it can draw into a bit of a cult vibe and like people need to have a bit more nuance with their belief system and nothing has to be so locked and loaded based on a set of rules from a book that’s like thousands and thousands and thousands of years old.
i feel like it’s all about how you interpret things. Anything in life. How you interpret movies. Everything can be interpreted very personal to yourself and your own life. Like what a movie means to me might mean something completely different to you when you watch it, you know? So i feel like you can kind of apply the same thing to religion, but um yeah, you know? >> yeah.
i want to ask you about the album cover for worst girl in america. Again, just the completely different direction of [ __ ] which was the very like maximalist way to approach an album cover. But when did this cover come together? It’s so good. Honestly, i feel like for the first time i chose a cover almost in a like knee-jerk reaction way rather than having some like i had something that was a little more planned out like an image that i like usually i’ll like draw like a mock of like what in the in my head i think the image should look like.
And i had something planned that felt very posed and it felt very like you know, a little too literal on i guess what the cover would be. And we shot like imagery for that and i remember looking at stuff and i was just like this doesn’t like feel right. It doesn’t feel like the music. This is like i almost like i like look too pretty and it’s too like and like i had like bunny ears on in it because i feel like there’s a lot of symbolism with like the rabbit in this like album kind of world and i just was like i
Don’t know if like the album cover needs to have that. Maybe there’s like it needs to be a bit more of a like an unspoken symbol in the videos. And i just i like was looking at all these different photos from like the day we shot the dance video and there was one of chandler burton who’s in a lot of the music videos.
he’s like a skater and he does drag. He’s really cool. Um he like he’s like rotisserie chicken in the cannibalism video with like the orange. >> oh my gosh, really? Okay, yeah, i love that. >> a really sick skater who which like it reminds me of like friends from my hometown. They’re all like skateboard. They all follow him too, which is so funny.
but he was sitting like kind of in this lawn chair with a beer and he had on this customized like worst girl in america hat that i had made and the color of the red almost by like accident or whatever is just like that’s the color of like the kind of like the beat-up chanel’s font and all this all of that. And then i’m like standing kind of off and i like cropped it around my mouth and i and i wanted to have like the the scanned like logo like right in the center and i just feel like you know, not everyone loves that album cover, but i feel like it definitely is
In line with everything and the way where it’s like not this like beautiful pop star image. It’s like not what this music is. Like if people want like the wind blowing in my hair and i’m like cinched and whatever. Like this is the jacket i wore. It’s just like a jacket i’ve been wearing for years from a vintage store.
And i just feel like it reminded me of like music from that era of like listening like i can see it i could see it on an ipod and it feels it almost feels like a like a rap album cover and i feel like i was inspired by like i was so inspired by like straight boy culture and like supreme and like like different like rappers.
yeah, skater boys and like i don’t know, like rappers that like men like stan. And like i just loved i just loved it. I feel like it could be any genre. Like when i look at that cover, it really feels like how the music sounds. >> that is so interesting to me because like most of your fans are gay people, queer people.
and so for you to kind of go in the direction where you’re like i’m going to go in an aesthetic where like straight men like yeah, we love this. It’s so cool. I feel like that was like a funny like there’s like funny little things here and there that were very inspired by like like yeah, like straight dude [ __ ] >> so funny. >> um and i was like inspired by like the concept of like the pick-me girl who like hangs out with boys and like i feel like all of that is kind of emulated in this music and in these visuals and like but that’s like kind of
My high school experience too. Like i didn’t i definitely like i have girlfriends. I have girlfriends now. I had girlfriends then, but like i feel like i would hang around like it would be like me and two like girlfriends hanging around a big group of like stonery boys. Yeah, and like the beat-up chanel shot like it would look like that.
it would look just like that unfortunately. But you know what i mean? Like i don’t know. I feel like i’ve been getting really over like hot girl glamorous imagery in a way where i feel like the music doesn’t sound like that. Like i feel like [ __ ] sounds like that. So it makes sense, but i just wanted that like like it’s kind of tacky almost.
like that big dollar sign in the middle. It’s like it’s like it’s like me. Like it is a little grungy and dirty and like it’s like that tacky red dot. Like everyone was being like you should have put it on the actual wall and all this stuff and i’m like no, like it’s so perfect. >> yeah. I loved your reaction to what people were saying about the cover, too.
I think you said something like respectfully this sucks when no, i said that looks like [ __ ] no shade. >> [laughter] >> so funny and so like unapologetic because the cover like is perfect. But where did the dollar sign come from? Like the idea for that? I feel like in my life i grew up without having any money and being from a family that doesn’t have a lot of money, but like i went to like a catholic grade school for free basically me and my sister and like all of my classmates like had like money and big houses and they belonged to this country
Club down the street from my house where my sister was a waitress and it always like made me feel so insecure to like not have money. And then like i get into music and then it’s like kind of a similar thing with a different characters where it’s like everyone has like budgets and money and like designer clothes and stylists and big teams and assistants and i always i’m like very financially illiterate.
I’m really bad with money like still to this day. Like i feel like when you grow up like kind of poor, when you get money, you like want to like squander it cuz you’re like oh my god, i’ll never have this again. Like i need the shoes now. >> yeah. Like carrie bradshaw like like absolutely. >> mean? Like she’s like how much did i spend on shoes? It’s so funny.
>> [laughter] >> i just am bad with money. So i feel like it it represents a lot of things of like kind of emulating like the thing that always made you feel kind of insecure. And then also something i think is really funny is just a lot of things with this album. It’s like my first album on a major like with like major label budget if you will.
but i still more than any other project i approached so much like cheaply and very diy. Yeah. Not everything. Like i feel like you can tell like the dance led floor scene with dancers is obviously there’s budget behind that. But then it’s like cannibalism. Like that crystal i made that costume myself like by hand and and like not for you know, like just with like certain materials that i had and then yeah, well technology was like a zero dollar budget video, but to me it’s like one of the most compelling visuals just because of the way that we shot it and everything
We did for it and um yeah, i just i think that it’s funny. Like the album cover too. It’s like out of every album cover i’ve done that probably is like the cheapest looking one, but like there’s this big dollar sign. I love it. Yeah. And i just love how like even though this might be like your first album with like major label budget.
like beforehand you were always very committed to the content, committed to the visuals. Like i think about like your out of time visual when you when you shot that like on your iphone with i think it was like an outfit that you found from your closet, right? Like a lot of your visuals are kind of like that. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I feel you know, me and my friend kate, caitlyn muro, she is kind of like my right-hand man with a lot of these visuals.
she’s such a sick editor and such a sick like she just shoots it we just shoot things together and we have a very unspoken language with the way we do things and we’re very run and gun and down to like get dirty and like i i just love to create. It doesn’t matter like what format, whether it’s like cutting up a pair of jeans for like beat-up chanels or like making a visualizer or a visual.
i just love to create and i feel like some people or like not some people, but just like in general a lot of times things will be very rigid and like you plan a set day and there’s a budget and like everyone’s like there’s a time that you start and a time that you end. Me and her will be like at like 4:00 a.m.
we’ll be like let’s just go like climb up to the hollywood cross and like shoot some [ __ ] and like i just think that that it’s just a very freeing way to like create stuff and i feel like that it’s like the it’s cheaper to do things that way, but it also like looks way sicker, you know? >> is that what you did when you were teasing dance when you were in front of the fireworks? Mhm.
>> like that was like super last minute, right? Like >> both fireworks shots we did two different occasions. I like made kate give up her 4th of july and her new year’s because i wanted these shots, but um >> gorgeous shots, by the way. Yeah, what? Gorgeous shots, yeah. >> yeah, i think i think the first firework like the ones that were in beat-up chanels, that is probably my favorite imagery from the entire campaign and once again, zero dollars.
i like made that outfit myself. I bedazzled the skirt myself. Yeah. >> it was like a vintage like crochet lace veil that i put on my head that has like it says like the world in his hands and has jesus on it. And yeah, on 4th of july we went to the beach and um shot in front of the fireworks display. We only had like 20 minutes, but we it’s like i just feel like yeah, it’s like my favorite imagery.
we didn’t have budget for like a giant fireworks display and i was like i don’t want the lame ones that you buy from the store. Like i want the real legit ones. The big thing and yeah, i just love that. >> yeah, and then you did the same thing on new year’s eve as well. >> yeah, and like a in a different outfit and it was raining and i felt like it was more emotional.
it was for dance and i’m like yeah, yeah. Um yeah, that’s crazy because when you were when you posted that one, i was like oh, this must be from the same like video shoot, but then you were wearing a different outfit and i was like did she just record this now like >> yeah. On new year’s eve? >> a lot of things are last minute.
like i finished the whole technology video like i i told you like literal it came out today. Yesterday i think we sent it in. The day before that i finished we like we’re shooting until like 2:00 in the morning. >> insane. What made you want to like shoot it just 2 days ago? Like did you see something and you were like oh, let’s shoot there? >> well, we’ve been shooting different shots over for like pretty much the past like month and a half.
i think it’s like one it’s like one of the few videos where like we’ve spent a lot of time here and there when we have time cuz it’s just been such a busy couple months that like when i have time we’ll like meet up, get some setups done and then like keep going. So like i think the first setup we did was the bathroom, which is in my actual like bathroom in la where i’m like smoking my like, you know yeah, that’s in your actual bathroom.
oh my gosh, i we like we made it look dirty. I swear it’s not that dirty. We made it look dirty. [laughter] um but yeah, we started that and then like we just wrapped it up like a couple days ago. So it’s been like kind of like a month of collecting imagery for it. >> and what is that editing process like too for her then? She kind it it depends on the video.
i feel like we’ll edit in different ways. I feel like i will kind of like give a layout of like i think these things these sequences should happen here. Okay. Um and then she’ll kind of like sauce it out and we had all these like strobe shots that felt really good during like the the breakdown. But yeah, she just will like whip up an edit and then we’ll kind of go in and like refine everything and if there’s like one little shot that like doesn’t work, we’ll either put something else in or like get something else to >> so cool, yeah. I don’t know how you do
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>> i thought that was going to be the first single. I was pretty like hell-bent on that. >> mhm. Um and i feel like people from my label were kind of suggesting beat up chanels and they were like we really feel like the song is so great and i was a little stubborn at first about it, but like the more i would like i feel like everything single-wise has been so perfect.
it’s like i feel like they’re they didn’t like i feel like i wanted it to be beat up chanels just because it did after a while i realized it is a really good introduction to this album because it feels like it’s half of the gritty aggressive side of the music and then half of like the kind of soft emotional pop euphoric like euphoric kind of sound.
But yeah, they originally kind of were like floating the idea to me that like maybe it should be that and the more i was listening to beat up chanels, the more i was just like you know what? Like this really feels kind of like a like an introduction and it feels like both sounds of the album squashed together.
It feels like both sides of my artistry, which is like melodic and singing and then like this kind of rap like distortion. It felt like a really good first first look at what was to come. >> yeah. Um and i feel like i’m like i’m so glad that it wasn’t dance cuz i feel like dance came at the right moment. >> yeah, absolutely. I totally agree.
i think that everything has played out so well with each single release. I think that like it’s just so cool to see the hype grow too with each single you drop for this new project. But okay, so with crank, i need to know what exactly was it like to record that song in the studio? Honestly, that one was really fun.
we i made that song in new york actually at like the sony like building studios with austin and wyatt, yeah. >> scream in the sony building. Yeah, yeah. They have the studio and we were in there cuz they were like austin austin corona and wyatt bernard who did a bunch of songs on this project. They were in town in new york and we had a session and i it’s funny. We like made that song.
i don’t even think i have like voice memos from it cuz i wrote it so fast. I just had all these lines in my head. I had that richard linklater line like in my back pocket. I think i like was on my way to the session i like thought of that and i was like i got to do that in this yeah. >> [laughter] >> and then it had a different drop that was kind of like not as exciting and i remember sitting on the demo and i was like i feel like this drop just isn’t it.
i need to like find that version because people will be like whoa, that drop is not it. And then they ended up changing it to the we like got back to la and worked on it more and it became that like crank it up yeah, so good. >> yeah, that whole vibe. >> yeah, so did you go into the studio that day knowing that you kind of wanted to make a song with like a shouty chorus or did it just kind of like flow naturally? >> feel like it flowed naturally.
like i definitely i feel like i was listening to like death grips that day, which you can kind of tell, but like i feel like it i didn’t like go into the studio wanting to do something that was like super shouty. I just i think they started forming the beat and i just started like yelling and i was like we should just layer this like a ton and yeah, i feel like it doesn’t even it feels like nonsense.
like if you really read the lyrics like i stay straight, i stay bad. Like it doesn’t make any sense, but it’s just so like i don’t know, it’s so sick to me. >> and it totally makes sense. Like you want to [ __ ] slater, richard we should link later. That is lyricism right there. It’s so good. >> you made your self-directorial debut with cannibalism with that video.
Amazing. Congrats, by the way, on that. Can you talk a little bit about the process of like self-directing a video because you had directed the beat up chanels video with another director, right? But cannibalism was like yeah, but cannibalism was your first time like full-on doing it by yourself, right? Yeah.
that was really scary just because i don’t know. I had never i feel like co-directing was really great and hannah has such a wonderful vision. I feel like her own kind of artistry and her own like aesthetic with her work felt very in line with like where i wanted to go with this album. So i feel like we we kind of got it like from the get-go she like understood what i wanted to go for visually and i feel like we worked really well together.
and then for cannibalism, i i’d always wanted to try like directing something fully on my own or just starting to direct visuals and i’m so glad it started with cannibalism just because it’s like what it’s been so fulfilling. I love directing videos. I want to do it for like other artists. I’m obsessed.
like i just love i love creating visuals like more than i think like it’s just my it’s i just love it. But i think with cannibalism, yeah, it it was a little stressful. I definitely i took the prep work very serious and was very specific about all these different things. It’s for me directing is not just like making a treatment and like saying what the shot should be.
i feel very involved with every aspect of it. A lot of the props are mine. Like that round tv is like my personal like i have like a vintage like round tv that’s from my house. Um everything in the dressing room like like we like there’s like little like easter eggs of like things from my house like props, costumes i’ve worn in previous tours, whatever.
i made the, you know, one costume myself. Like i feel like very hands-on with so much of like the casting, the everything. Um some like you know, obvious, everyone knows this, but like my favorite director is like david lynch and i feel like he would approach his movies in a very hands-on way from like working on the score himself to like he would always cast actors like it it wasn’t like a casting director that would like cast for him.
like he really saw through every single facet of his projects and his films and i i it’s like on a way smaller scale, obviously, music video, but i just think i think that the only person who can execute like what i have in my head is myself in a way, like fully. Like obviously, it takes such a like talented great big team to like execute the full thing, but i think in terms of just like little details, there’s like i have to kind of have a find like a finishing touch on every little thing for it to be, yeah. What is that casting process
Like then? Like how are you choosing people to be in these videos? It is it’s kind of like a it’s like a it’s a joint effort. Like i feel like james who produced the video, he cast a lot of the male actors, but then for me like i i’ve been follow i love like burlesque. I love like i i love it.
i love it. So emma and frankie, frankie fictitious and emma vote vote a devil. I always like trip up when i say that. But they i’ve been following them for a while and i just find they’re so glamorous. They’re like pin-up pin-up girls, like true artists in their own right of like the burlesque world. And i i really wanted them to be in the video and they were both down.
and then chandler, who he was in beat up chanel’s and was just so fun to watch in that video and he was like so down. He was like the first person to like jump in the mud pit and everything. >> yeah. And i just yeah, he’s just such a sweet soul. So i felt like he like i knew he did drag and i was like i feel like you were so rugged in the first video that you have to be like >> wearing chicken, yeah.
>> [laughter] >> and yeah, so the casting it’s a bit of like everyone has like a bit of a a touch on everything. It’s not just like me me me. I don’t want to like i don’t want to it it really is i work with such wonderful people who have great taste. Like eli, who was the dp for that, is just like so incredible at like framing shots and like i feel like he i’d never directed before, so he helped a lot with you know, helping me figure out that.
i didn’t even know like shot phrases or like aesthetic image versus like, you know, handheld and angles and all that stuff. Like i feel like i i learned a lot off on that set, which was really nice. >> and you were overseeing all the styling, too, with everything like >> oh yeah, i styled i’ve styled this entire album campaign.
>> amazing, yeah. I loved the the trash bag corset in the in the video. >> thank you. >> can you talk a little bit about making that outfit, too? >> yeah, i didn’t make that one. So that was ann ann wold, who’s a really talented designer in la. She i hit her up. I wanted to do something that kind of reminded me of like i don’t know if you remember the blonds.
They were like a are they still they’re still like a brand, but they they like in the mid-2000s like when i was young, all of my favorite like celebrity looks were like these very rhinestoned-out bodysuits from the blonds. Like i feel like all the pop girls would wear that like during the 2010s.
[clears throat] kesha would wear like a crazy bejeweled one. I remember they had like paris hilton walking down the runway like more recently, but beyoncé would wear the everyone would wear the blonds and it’s like my childhood like i always wanted one, but i like i didn’t even know where you would get such a thing.
and like started my obsession with rhinestones. So i like like i kind of sent her some photos and i was like i want to do this very like blonds-inspired like silhouette where it’s like big hips and it’s made out of trash. Like i want she used actual trash bags to like weave the fabric and then i had this idea of rhinestoning pieces of like garbage and like placing it on it, >> mhm.
which was inspired by the supreme scarf i have that was like a collab with arl schmidt, who’s this artist. I’m like yapping. I’m sorry. >> no, no, i love it. It’s good. >> like i’m talking so much. I’m sorry. >> please talk as much as you want. >> i’m just like over-explaining this, but no, it’s yeah, yeah, i love it. >> this scarf from supreme that has been really inspiring to the music randomly from like the get-go.
like i bought it really early in the album process and it has like arl schmidt, she like like does colored pencil drawings of like pieces of trash. It’ll be like a cigarette and like a matchbox and all this stuff or like a banana peel. And i was like i want to make like a corset that like kind of reminds me of this. So cool.
>> crafted ann crafted this like insane corset with like all this bejeweled trash and like smashed cans and like like, you know, bottle tabs and everything. And i love that. It’s one of my favorite looks. >> it was genius. I feel like cuz [ __ ] was your very much like glamorous pop girl era, but i do feel like there is still a glamorous aspect of this era as well, even though it’s your more like grungy, but it’s cuz you are still like a glamorous girly, you know? >> i could never do like i would never do like a full like this is my blue jeans
White tee that is like i just love rhinestones and i love the kind of showgirl showmanship a little too much. I think that this time around though, the glamour has is like a little off and creepy and still not so perfect. Like it’s like it’s a corseted dress, but it there’s like trash >> yeah. >> but it’s like rhinestone trash.
it’s all very fantasy and like there’s like a little bit of a tacky element to everything. I feel like tackiness is missing from pop music a lot these days, too. Everyone tries so hard to be like chic and refined and like when i was young, i loved tacky [ __ ] like as like a young girl like that, it like would bounce out to your eyes when an artist would wear something that was really like kind of gaudy and like crazy.
>> yeah, like gaga with her meat dress. Yes, but like to me like that’s not even tacky. It became such like high art because it >> yeah. It was like saying something and it also i don’t know. Like could you imagine if she showed to the vmas that year in some like something chic. Like [ __ ] that. Like it like it’s so cool.
>> yeah, yeah. But okay, so you obviously what are making like your self-directorial debut with this era, which i love. Is this something going back to like the new team conversation? Was it was this something that you expressed to your team early on? Like you want to direct these videos before even like signing to the label? >> yeah, i did i did float that a bit.
i feel like at the very beginning i i’ve always wanted to direct visuals of mine. I feel like um for [ __ ] like i love hollywood and other things like i kind of did with like kate. We would direct things, but obviously they weren’t like properly budgeted like set like videos, but i wanted to be able to direct like a proper music video.
so i did kind of float that to them and i’m glad um yeah, i’m glad they were down because it’s like i i am just obsessed with directing. >> yeah, how long is the process though? Like when did you have to start like thinking about the video and then how long was that until you actually shot the video? I mean, luckily, i’m a very visual person with the music i make.
so as soon as i’m in the studio like writing the damn thing, i >> yeah. See it in my head. >> so you’re already like jotting down ideas like >> yeah, no, like i’m not even kidding. Like as soon as i recorded like the cannibalism like chorus of like da da na na na na na na na na na na na na na na i like in my head i was like dreaming of like a me like shimmerying in like a sparkly costume in a very um like that salma hayek scene yeah.
>> where she has like the the snake or like she like is like dancing. I just was picturing that in my head and i would i i i picture things as soon as i make them. I i can like see the video like clear as day in my head. >> yeah, so good. That scene is also so good from the video. That outfit that you’re wearing when you’re doing like that dance. I love it so much.
that outfit was a [ __ ] to make. >> really, was it? >> oh my god. >> about it? It took me forever. I started i probably started making that outfit and like building the treatment and building all the shots at least like 2 months in advance, i think. Yeah, cuz i the showgirl outfit is like this is kind of like a random thing for it to be inspired by, but i was inspired by the blumarine birthday dress, like the 2002 blumarine dress britney murphy wears in uptown girls, which i i search that dress every day. I’ve been looking for
That dress for years. If anyone out there >> [laughter] >> let us know. Someone has to have it like i found every now and then i’ll find someone that has one, ask them if they will sell it to me and they won’t. I recently found a girl in turkey who found the dress in an italian flea market last november, bought it for like 500 euros. One i want to die.
like how did you find her? Um just like google reverse image searching and stuff and i i dm’d her. I was like, “can you please sell me this dress?” and [laughter] she was like, “no.” >> no. And i was like, “you don’t like the movie as much as me. Give it to me now.” >> oh my gosh, yeah, you need that. You’re like a stan.
>> i’ll find it one day. I’m like spiritual about it. Like let me show you. Hold on. Yeah, no, that has to happen. >> phone background. Maybe i’ll show you. >> okay, i love it. So you’re basically that’s like a manifestation essentially. Like you know, it’s already there. Like you you already have it like >> have it.
i have like almost every other piece from uptown girls but that. So like that’s really my holy grail. But i i wanted to make the showgirl costume kind of loosely inspired by it, so it has like these kind of fan motifs and i hand embroidered those. And i found like a bra and panty. So it’s not like i like handmade like the base, but i definitely did a lot of i just embellished the whole damn thing.
i learned like bugle bead fringe, like very bob mackie vibes, like hand like i used trim, but then also over it to like blend it. I like hand did all the beaded fringe. I made these long beaded fringe kind of tails with like little feather plumes on the end. It took [ __ ] forever. The whole thing took forever, but i am obsessed with how it turned out.
the shoes were inspired by uptown girls, too, right? >> with that dress she wears, she also has these little pink shoes that the costume designer for that movie, sarah edwards, she like made these little manolos pink and then like attached a star and rhinestoned it. And dakota fanning’s like, “i had shoes like those ones when i was five.
” and i love i just love those shoes. So yeah, i like hand sanded the shoes. I found on manolo that’s the same style of shoe, sanded it, painted it pink, added the star painted pink, bedazzled. So good. Yeah, there’s so many also just like iconic references to to yourself in these videos too. Like with dance, you referenced your days working at a hair salon, too.
yeah, can you talk a little bit about that and like did working at a hair salon influence your aesthetic now at all? I think maybe not like right now currently, but at the time when i was working there, this woman sherry, shout out sherry, has been cutting my hair since i was like really young, but she would like bleach like i i wanted to be like platinum platinum blonde and like so as soon as i would get like a tiny baby root because i worked there, i would like get my hair bleached for free.
so i was just like as blonde as a [ __ ] could be during that like mix tape era. Oh my god. I still to this day like the the like little bits of like baldness and like alopecia i have on my head from that level of [laughter] blonde. Would you go back to like that blonde? >> no. My hair is curly for the first time my hair is my hair is its natural texture for the first time in maybe like 5 years.
so like so >> long? Oh my god. No, i just had like fried scarecrow hair for like years. I don’t i will never be that blonde again >> it was perfect for like that era though, the mixtape era. >> sure. >> yeah. Yeah. Cuz it was like, you know, that was like the vibe, but now yeah, like i don’t know working i feel like a lot of the album visuals i wanted to reference different points of my life, little specific things.
there’s like little specific easter eggs to so many different things that maybe some people know about, maybe only i know about, but yeah, the hair salon, everything feels like a fantasy version where it’s like i would sweep hair off the floor. >> yeah, absolutely. And it’s funny like in the video the hair is like so snow white it almost like looks like my old hair.
>> [laughter] >> um [clears throat] but yeah, i just i just kind of wanted to build this world off of like my real life. Like i feel like i feel like i’ve been kind of over like the mood board aestheticization of um of like making visuals in music. Like i almost wanted to just reference like things that have happened to me or like jobs that i’ve had or like be kind of tongue-in-cheek.
like even the hair salon sequence it’s like i’m wear like you would never wear that to work at a hair salon, but it feels like such a such a dream sequence and like, you know, you close like the girl in that hair salon like closes her eyes and she is like the led dance floor pop star and like that’s kind of what that was like for me at the time.
like i would be working my job and like i’d like put out bff and like watch like the streams go up on soundcloud by like a hundred a day or whatever which felt like such a big deal at the time. And i would just like have these dreams of like, oh like maybe one day like i’ll be like a real performer and i’ll have backup dancers.
and so it’s kind of that you know, mirroring that real true to life experience, i guess. I was literally just about to ask you if like you were already envisioning pop stardom when you were working at a hair salon. But >> oh yeah, i’ve been envisioning it since i was a very young. I when i was my mom always tells my mom would always tell me like when i was like really little i would walk around and be like, i’m going to be a movie star.
like i would always say that like just like, i’m going to be a star. I’m going to be a movie star when i was really little. I always wanted this in some capacity. I feel like i thought it would look a lot different when i was younger, but i am very grateful cuz this there was never another like there was like times where i’d be want to be a fashion designer, all these things, but overall i always wanted to be like a like a singer >> in the spotlight, yeah. I love it.
and with like the more vulnerable side of the album because you are kind of like when track six comes introducing a whole different side of the album with gas station. So the anger kind of shifts more towards anger like towards yourself in these songs. Can you talk a little bit about like why you wanted to include this side of the music? Like kind of wanting to express a more vulnerable side of the album cuz it is a lot different from the first five songs. Yeah.
i mean, i feel like it just kind of came out in the studio. Like not every day would be me feeling in the mood to like rap on like a crazy like baseline. Sometimes i would feel very sad and very i think gas station was actually one of the first songs for this project. Me and marvy made that. That actually i think was yeah, i think gas station was the very very first song i made.
so it almost like i started in this like sad place. Yeah. Um but i didn’t really even shoot to be more personal. That wasn’t really like a like a planned thing. I feel like it just happened and i feel like who like my emotions as a person i have like a wicked temper and i feel like just like day-to-day life like i will be that angry side and then very shortly after become very like sad and uh and just more like emotional and like not as like on the defense and get more self-deprecating or feel more just like devastated by things and not
So angry. I feel like sometimes when you like hold on to anger that’s like the flip side of it is being like really sad about stuff in a way. So i feel like the album kind of takes this natural progression of like angry to sad to like angry to sad to like angry to like really really sad. >> for sure.
it’s definitely surprising when that side of the album comes on, but also it fits along perfectly with the title worst girl in america. >> yeah, for sure. >> yeah. And then with brittany murphy, obviously she is one of your biggest inspirations just in general like visually. And you’ve always admired her, but why did this album feel right to include a full song inspired by her just titled brittany murphy? It’s funny.
a lot has to do with that dress, that uptown girls dress. I everyone has that one like comfort movie in their life that they like could i could like i could recite the script for uptown girls like just sitting here. I’ve seen it so many times. I would watch it when i was little all the time and so um i just loved her a lot and i feel like while kind of like right before starting work on this album, i found this girl online who had the dress in la and she is so sweet.
she let me borrow it for a photo shoot at the chateau. And so it was like i got to like finally wear i don’t own it, but i finally got to like wear this dream dress and i like did my hair like her and i like made the little lamp shade like very weird obsessive fan vibes. Like i definitely, but like i just i don’t know.
she was just so like i just feel like that dress in that movie, the movie’s a lot about like maturity and like, you know, she is like a rock star’s daughter and she loses all of her money and has to like figure things out in the real world and she’s a grown woman but acts like a child and then dakota fanning’s character is like a child who acts like an adult and i feel like that movie i don’t know.
it it really when you watch it as an adult versus as a little girl it means something completely different. It’s a really sad movie. I remember any person i’d like recommend the movie to they think it’s going to be just like this 2000s rom-com. It’s like a devastatingly sad movie in ways and i i watched a documentary about i watched like the brittany murphy like what happened to brittany murphy like doc and um kind of became even like i just felt like i just felt like her life and her like legacy like it made me so sad that like this like, you know, i don’t
Know if you’ve seen that series. >> documentary, no. It highlighted a lot about her life and how she had kind of a broken relationship with her father, but she was like a really spunky girl and she always wanted to act and had this like charming star quality and then like she gets into hollywood and like does clueless and then like people start to tell her like you need to like lose weight and so she does like to an extreme point and she gets blonder and then she was in some like huge movies and then i think
Before she passed away like her career started to kind of like slow down a bit, i guess and like i like in the documentary a lot of people close to her would be like, oh yeah, like she would like be freaking out about it and feel really like insecure and be like, why are these like why am i not getting like cast and stuff like blah blah blah.
and i feel like when i was watching that i like felt so like i related to that so much just in music, right? Like i kind of felt like i was like like my chance was maybe a couple years ago and like that was it. And like now i’m like slowly on like the decline and i just felt really depressed and i really i feel like she was such a she was such a like wonderfully talented actress and just seemed like such a charming i didn’t know her personally, obviously, but like i just i feel like watching that doc and like hearing
People talk about her it just made me really sad cuz like, you know, she just died so young and i think um the song brittany murphy isn’t about her per se, but i just think during making this album she just kind of was on like in my head and on the mood board and she’s some of my favorite she’s like in a lot of my favorite movies of all time.
like polar opposite of uptown girls is the movie spun which is like a tweaker drama directed by jonas åkerlund which it’s such a sick movie if if you ever get a chance definitely watch that. He directed like lady gaga paparazzi and a bunch of madonna videos and prodigy videos, but it’s like such a crazy movie, but she like her character in that is like this like she’s like her name’s nikki and she like strips and like it’s like the movie’s about like methamphetamine and it’s just like a really crazy crazy ride the whole film,
But i just i i don’t know. She she just seemed like a very constant in my head of like like in different ways like i just like would picture her when i would like be like making this music like almost like seeing her in the outfits in the videos right like myself in a weird way to like help me you know.
yeah, when did this song come in the process then? Was it kind of like one of the cuz it’s the closing song on the album. Was it also like the last song you finished from it? >> the very last song, but it was definitely a later song. >> okay. Yeah. And that song it’s so funny. I feel like the lyrics are it’s almost like a suicide note or like funeral like telling like leaving behind your like funeral arrangements when you’re like wanting to die and i think the lyrics are it you kind of don’t know what i’m talking about at first but i remember
When i was making that they like started on the the instrumental was getting formed in the studio and i like felt embarrassed with how how like personal what i was writing was and so i just was like oh like i have something like let can i like put it down and i recorded it they like didn’t really know what i had written yet and i and it it felt like awkward like sitting with two people and like kind of spilling this very personal sentiment of like oh like i i kind of want to die sometimes because like my life i’m like a failure yeah.
>> in music and i’m like like i can’t stop drinking like you know they’re like things that are like not to like trauma dump and get too deep but like things where it’s like i feel like i’m just like my dad or i have issues with drugs and alcohol and i can’t like escape it and like music’s over like you get to a point where you feel very i just felt very done with music i was like i feel like this is it and like yeah creating this whole album i was like this is my last album i’m probably going to make like i’m like over it.
Really? So you thought that this was like done? Yeah but i mean it’s a good thing cuz i went into every session wanting to make music from a very pure like what do i think is cool? What do i want to leave behind? What do i feel inspired by? Yeah. Completely not what my not what fans expect not what people want not what like is cool or critically acclaimed or whatever like what do i think is just sick as [ __ ] like if i died tomorrow like what album would i want to leave behind? And i feel like [clears throat]
>> yeah it’s yeah. Yeah. You’ve said before that you want to make music that you would really appreciate when you were like younger like you would come across and be like oh i like this i like that um and i feel like you’re genuinely doing that right now too. Oh for sure for sure. >> is music that you as like a younger girl on tumblr would come across and be like i need to like stand her.
>> reblog yeah definitely. [laughter] that’s like a like i feel like there was like a mural in la when i would go on walks and it was like a virgil abloh quote where he’d be like everything i do is for my 17-year-old self and i really i really love that quote just because i feel like as you get older or you find different pockets of success the goal post always shifts and people kind of lose sight of like if you were like a teenager like would you like think that this was cool or compelling or or are you making it
Because you think other people around you are going to think it’s cool or compelling like i i just want to make stuff that i love >> so true. >> and i feel like if you’re an artist that has like good taste or like a perspective other people will love it too but you really have to like yeah. >> risk or like like stand on what you like like and like what you believe in and i think other people will get down with it.
>> like for the inner child for sure. >> oh for sure. I’m big on the healing the inner child thing. >> yeah. Like i feel like around this album time like i i used to take ballet when i was really young and then my family couldn’t really afford me to like do dance anymore like i love dancing i love dancing like let me dance i got to love to dance >> my family couldn’t afford dance lessons anymore so i had to quit and i was so devastated cuz i wanted to be a dancer and then i got to high school and i saw these girls like that were on like the
Pom squad and they all could like do the splits and i was like i could have been that but i had to quit and i feel like yeah that is like like the ballet or i like i like adult ballet classes anything that like makes you feel like anytime i make like a sparkly costume that like heals my little girl inside me you know? >> so the dance choreo on the dance floor must have like healed that inner child for you.
>> i did yes renee the choreographer renee balboni she’s such a genius she would like when i first started i was like i haven’t danced like i don’t really do choreo with my music project and i would like start to kind of like work with her and she’d be like wow you have very like natural dancer tendencies and i’d be like yeah.
So obviously i’m not like i’m not like a dancer dancer like there’s people who there’s artists who could dance so [ __ ] well like that is not me like i’m not a ballerina i’m not a dancer i’m not i like i got a little i got a little swag though like i got a little rhythm to me. >> that you challenged yourself in that way though you were like okay this is a song called dance i need to dance in this video.
yeah well yeah i i i originally said i wasn’t going to do any choreo for this album but then i was like the song’s called dance i think it’s calling >> it’s calling for a little like a shimmy and a shake and a shuffle you know? >> yeah exactly. >> yeah. So back to the more vulnerable side of the album like so the first five songs were also the first five singles is this why you decided to drop the first five songs as the singles kind of like you wanted the vulnerable side to be more of a surprise when fans listened? No actually that was like
Mistake i didn’t realize that the first five songs on the album are all the singles in a row until someone pointed it out online >> oh really? >> and someone was like oh this is so annoying like the first half of the album i’ve already heard and i’m like honestly like i love that like i feel like when the album comes out yeah like let’s run it back and go through everything in chronological and then the new the rest of the story will be painted to you >> yeah.
but i didn’t mean to do that i think um i i feel like some of the single choices were not so like i feel like even old technology i was very between like gas station or old technology and i just feel like old technology like i don’t know i feel like personally i had more like visual ideas and i think it painted i think it felt more in line with everything to like choose what we ended up choose like you know what i ended up choosing.
>> absolutely i kind of like that the first five songs are the first singles cuz it’s like and i think that fans should absolutely listen to it in chronological order when they listen to the whole album. >> i think the more emotional songs being a surprise too i think it gives i think it will give the singles maybe a different meaning or a different context than they have off of the immediate listen cuz it’s like you listen to old technology and you’re like yeah i’m doing drugs tonight but then you listen to the whole
Album and you’re like oh like it’s not like so like funny like the drug like it’s not like good that she like is doing drugs tonight that’s like a bad it’s not like a glam glamorized thing it’s like kind of like a a more sad thing. >> down to the end of the album and like you realize it’s more of like a crutch or something yeah.
>> but then yes god comes on and it’s just like wow because you have said before you were like yeah crank is actually not the loudest song on this album and i love yes god so much it is so good. So did you make crank first and then did that kind of like inspire the direction for yes god were you like you know what i can go louder with this song? >> yes god was first actually.
>> yeah there was like a different version of it jord the producer of it jordan palmer me and him did a bunch of sessions and um i showed him this movie like nekromantik just the trailer but i was like he’s like so funny i like there’s this it’s like a really creepy like german art house like horror film from like the 80s i think mhm.
and the visuals are so unsettling and it’s like the footage is so old that it like looks really cursed and i was like we need to like make something that like sounds like this. Yeah. And like we he was like so like oh my god and like we played it and he kind of like we like formed this song and for a really long time it was just like me speaking gibberish that was a hard song to write because i got so demoitisy with like my gibberish take that it was hard to like put lyrics to it.
>> uh-huh. Um but when we finally finished it like yeah it just felt like cranked to like a a million hundred i love i love it. It’s so good i think fans are genuinely going to be like so shocked by that song it’s just >> people are liking it so much i’m like i didn’t know that like the audience of my music would be down for like a little like like screamo punky electronic like that i’m so surprised [clears throat] with the response to this album in a genuine way like i really i thought unless i was doing the kind of
Like dance floor like music like that [ __ ] was i was like people are not going to like this like this is either going to be really bad or really good. >> so so at first you were like cuz i was also going to ask you like if you were kind of nervous about this new direction like with your fans and stuff like you thought that they weren’t going to vibe with this new sound.
yeah i did not think i thought they were going to hate my like jean shorts and my like shaggy hair and i thought i just was really shocked like i don’t know like even like i feel like i i’ve been teasing elements of this for a really long time before beat up chanel’s even came out like when i was on tour opening for kesha i was like still wearing my mud boots and kind of like wearing like the the styling direction that i was about to head into and i was just like i don’t know like i feel like yeah. I just feel like people might not
Be down for like the trashy vibe but like everyone has really liked it it feels like it’s just me like it feels very authentic to who i am as a person i feel like it’s stuff that i wear in my day-to-day life like i wear my mud boots like almost every day i it’s it’s it’s like jackets from my closet it’s like styling pieces that have a lot of intention and meaning behind just like pulling something off the runway that’s very like new and now i feel like i just was i was nervous that people would not receive the kind of like the trash midwest
Glamour but everyone has really liked it which i am really surprised by but i love that. >> to ask you about coachella you are about to make your coachella debut which i’m so excited about. Are you a coachella girl like do you usually go? No so i always told myself i would never go unless i was performing and then there was one year where i guessed i did a guest performance for rebecca black’s dj set >> uh-huh.
um and that was super fun but that was like the that was i only went like one of the days i think and after that i haven’t really been like i i’ve always like loved coachella through the internet you know what i mean? Like when i lived in st. Louis i still felt like i was there like the tumblr the flower crowns you know what i mean? Like i i feel like i’ve always wanted to go but i just as an artist like a weird annoying thing i was like i i’m only going to go if i’m performing same with lollapalooza same with gov ball same with any festival any big major festival i feel
Like i always would tell myself like i only will go if i perform. >> it so much more special too like you being there when you’re performing but this album in the desert is going to go insane i cannot wait to see your set i’m so excited. >> i feel like beat up chanel specifically is such a like 2012 coachella song.
>> oh absolutely yeah. They everyone needs to like get out the flower crowns get out the bunny ears and like put your hands in the sky. >> those mud boots too. Yeah working on it. >> yeah we can just like diy our mud boots and get like our boots muddy at coachella. Like, yeah, we can do that. That’s like the og thing.
it’s inspired by kate moss’s like glastonbury like muddy here like actual muddy boots. >> i love that. >> yeah. So, i want to do a quick little segment really quick before we wrap up. It so, this podcast is all about like pop bibles. So, i have to ask you, what is your ultimate pop bible? >> [sighs] >> ooh, picking one is so scary cuz i feel like i have two that are really neck and neck.
>> uh-huh. I would have to say ooh. Can i say two? >> you can say two. I feel like blackout and the fame okay. Gaga’s debut and blackout are probably the two albums that have like pop albums that have affected me like most in this world. And i think that they’re both perfect 10 out of 10. Every song on the album is a 11 out of 10 type of project.
>> yeah, those are two huge pop bibles. I would totally agree with that. Do you remember the first song you heard from each? Just dance by lady gaga. And my sister showed it to me actually, which is really funny. She like bought it on itunes. Cuz she my sister’s a little bit older than me, so like i would take a lot of like coolness cues from like what she was like thinking was cool or listening to at the time.
And she downloaded just dance and i listened to it and loved it. And then when i started watching her music videos, i was like, “oh my god.” yeah. >> and then i bought the fame the fame was the first cd i ever bought for myself. >> yeah, probably listening to it on your ipod, too. Your ipod music. >> yes. Or like the walkman.
talk about old technology. >> oh, yeah. >> i’m like i’m i’m a i’m a woman of a certain age that i used to listen to music on a cd from a walkman. >> iconic. >> to bring that back. >> yeah, that would yeah, if you’re like a future visual of yours, bring them back. >> in i think in like [clears throat] society.
like the way people love vinyls, like bring back walkmans. >> yeah, that’d be iconic. How has this album inspired your own music, the fame? Or blackout, yeah. >> [sighs and gasps] >> um i feel like i feel like there’s like little production like sonic choices that i it’s like a subconscious thing just from like growing up and loving that music so much.
i feel like a lot of this album had real instrumentation, so i feel like i was like more inspired by like soulwax or leaning more into like punk music, but i feel like there’s something about like the fame and blackout, they kind of feel like similar in a way. >> yeah. But i just i don’t know. I feel like blackout, especially like piece of me, crazy production.
like it’s such a cool like experimental song. >> yeah. I feel like there’s just there’s a lot about both of those albums, vocal delivery, vocal processing um that yeah, just really >> yeah, it’s crazy that they came out around the same time, too. Like 2007, 2008. The gays back then who were probably like my age now were probably like living like the gays in their 20s like hearing that at the club like >> probably like la’s most like prime prime era was like paparazzi outside of all of like the hot night clubs and like those those albums like playing in the
Club. >> hearing that in like west hollywood. I mean amazing. >> gimme more at a club in west hollywood that year. >> that specific year. >> i would do anything. >> yeah, me, too. Well, thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate you taking the time, especially just with you being so busy right now.
>> oh my gosh, stop. I thank you for taking time out of your day. >> course. I cannot wait to see you at coachella and i just can’t wait for everyone to hear this album. It’s genuinely so good. I’m so happy for you. Of course. Thank you. >> for having me. You’re so sweet. >> thank you.
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