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Daughter stands by her father after he pleads guilty to killing her mother | 60 Minutes Australia – Ty

 

When Melbourne mother Karen Ristevski went missing from her home, most suspected her husband Boris. And last year he finally admitted he killed her. But for nearly 3 years before that, he tried to dupe Australia into thinking he had nothing to do with it. That he was as shocked as anyone by his wife’s sudden disappearance and grief-stricken when her body was discovered in a bush grave.

One person caught in the middle and who forever be tormented by the crime is Karen and Boris’s only child, Sarah. So how does this 24-year-old make sense of the fact the mother she loved was killed by the father she loved and still loves? Sarah Ristevski speaks for the first time tonight. In a soulless Melbourne warehouse, along a lonely corridor, sit Sarah Ristevski.

Takes me to what’s left of the life she used to know. When you look at this room, what do you see? Do you feel? A little bit of sadness. Mhm. Just because it’s everything in one room. Photographs and toys. These are your memories. Yeah. Decorations and family treasures, all neatly folded and carefully tucked away.

I feel like I could have got rid of some of them that they’re just, I don’t know, very sentimental to me. Oh, absolutely. them, but You’re not a hoarder. They’re beautiful um moments in your life, aren’t they? Yeah, I forget about it a bit, and then when I come back Yeah. get reminded. Remnants of an idyllic childhood before it all came crashing down.

When her mother, Karen, was violently killed by her father, Boris. It’s not possible someone just disappears like this. It’s It was a crime that made headlines around the nation. Boris says they argued and she left home to clear her head. Sarah Ristevski, then just 21, was shattered when her mother, Karen, [music] inexplicably disappeared.

Silent until the very end. And devastated nearly 3 years later was sentenced to 9 years [music] jail for killing Karen Ristevski. when her father, Boris, pleaded guilty to her death. But rather than condemn her father, Sarah stood by him. And in doing so, found herself at the center of a media storm and a damning public reaction.

Sarah Ristevski has always refused to explain her decision until now. I don’t know how to explain it, but I think even if it was my mom in his position, I’d do the same. And I think people need to understand how close we all were. And I’m not just going to give up on someone. Especially when I’m so close. It’s my dad.

This [music] interview was never going to be easy. And at times Sarah found talking about her family story [music] was both confronting and traumatic. [music] The Rostovskys were a tight team. And it’s been that way ever since a young 17-year-old Karen was swept up by the charming Boris [music] five years her senior.

He’d already had a son, but after marrying [music] Boris and Karen had Sarah, who would be their only child. Look back. Boris. What’s your name? Charlie. Charlie who? Charlie Rostovsky. And what’s your name? Sarah Rostovsky. Wow. I can’t say the last name. Boris Rostovsky. From the moment she arrived, Sarah’s parents showered her with gifts.

Merry Christmas, Mom. Merry Christmas, Dad. Look, there’s a hat. [music] They were always together, always just the three of them. [music] Oh, no. Who’s filming this, do you think? Dad’s filming it. He was I think he had just come back from a um trip to China and he had just bought [music] this new video camera. And just as they loved her, it was clear Sarah adored them.

Now, how are you doing today, Dad? I’m doing fine, thank you, Sarah. Welcome home, Dad. Thanks, babe. Karen and Boris worked in the fashion business. And by 2016, [music] Karen was designing her own clothing line and had opened her own store, Bella Blue. How was she feeling about her life? I think she was happy.

What gave her pleasure? I think knowing that I was doing well and seeing me succeed, especially when it came to my education. Um she loved working in fashion. That was her passion. And dad and I made her happy. It’s family. Family was all important. Yeah, it was important to her, especially the close family, as in the three of us.

And it certainly [music] looked like this was one happy family. But on Wednesday, the 29th of June, [music] 2016, that all changed when Karen suddenly disappeared. I saw her in the [music] morning. Um I was getting ready to go to an internship. And um she was on her, I think, iPad looking through some styles she was going to order for the store.

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She asked me for my opinion on the colors. And I think I picked a blue or something like that. Um and then I said, “I’m leaving now. I’ll see when I get back.” And seemed fine. Yeah. And Dad? You saw Dad before you left, and what was he doing? He was watching TV on the couch. You didn’t sense anything wrong. Nothing at all.

In the house. And you would have. I definitely would have. Right. When did it cease to be just another day? Um I guess when I got home, I thought it was weird she wasn’t there. [music] Did Dad say something to you? Yeah, he said that she’d gone for a walk. And And not come back. Okay, so did Dad tell you that they’d had an argument? Mhm.

And did he say what it was about? She was upset that the store hadn’t done well the day before. And Dad said maybe we should do a sale. And she didn’t want to do a sale. Did Dad seem worried? Yeah, he was worried. Did he say he was worried? No. Calls, texts, and voicemails to Karen’s [music] phone went unanswered.

Sarah and Boris went to dinner at his parents’ house and returned home that winter’s [music] night still not having heard from Karen. [music] I was kind of all over the place. I didn’t really sleep that night. Mhm. And had you known her to leave the house before after a disagreement? Yeah, it wasn’t um abnormal for her to say, “I’m going to clear my head.

” Or go for a walk, or leave and um come back several hours later when she’s calmed down. Um it wasn’t out of the ordinary to me. But when you went to bed this night, you felt it was different? I think it was more the fact that it was raining and I just didn’t know where she could have been. The following morning, when Karen still hadn’t made contact, Sarah and her father went to the police.

Dad said, “I’d like to report my wife missing.” And they didn’t take us seriously. Why do you say that? The guy that was there was quite rude. And um What What did he say? He said like something along the lines of [snorts] [snorts] It’s okay. And he said, “She’s probably at the pokies or some something like that.

” And I said, “Mum doesn’t play the pokies.” And he said, “Go home and call us if she’s not back by 12:00.” It’s fairly grueling, isn’t it, for an only child to think you have to go to the police to find your mom. It was hard. And very stressful. Just [music] give us a call or give the police a call or you know, just give anyone a call just to know you know, that you’re safe.

When you did that press conference, um It doesn’t matter what, how, you know, [music] just Was that the first step in recognizing something is seriously wrong? Yes. How was your dad during that? Stressed about me. Stressed about Mum. What was your dad saying to you? He was comforting me and making sure I was okay.

His main concern was me the whole [music] time. Having celebrated her 21st birthday, Sarah [music] was finishing her university studies and had begun making travel plans. But when her mother failed to come home that day, [music] the world as Sarah knew it simply shut down. I felt like we were just zombies, just not sleeping, not eating, just we were just paused in that day.

Just felt like we were trapped in a nightmare. Yeah, and can’t get out of this. When were you beginning to worry about mom’s well-being? Yes. I think as it turned into weeks. Yes. So, you were worried that Time was slipping away. Slipping away. But was dad saying to you he was worried? We were both worried. But did he say that to you? Did he say I’m worried, something’s happened to her? After the break, Sarah Ristevski’s [music] untold story continues.

For Sarah Ristevski, [music] everything now had a sense of emptiness. Her mother, 47-year-old Karen, [music] had gone missing in June 2016. And as the months passed, Sarah began to feel the isolation. Just oh, she’s on my mind all the time. And I can’t get it out of my head. Homicide [music] police had now taken over the investigation into her mother’s disappearance, [music] and her father Boris was in their sights.

His story about the day Karen was last seen was [music] being closely examined, and they were zeroing in on the family home. But with the forensic [music] people in the home, that scared me a little bit. Because when there’s powder everywhere, you just you don’t know what to think. Yes, I I imagine it was very scary.

Did you raise that with Dad then? No, I didn’t get the chance to. You didn’t ask Dad, “Did something terrible happen in this house?” No. Did you ever raise that with him? I didn’t because nothing came back positive in the forensics. So, you never said to Dad, “Did something happen in this house?” No. And you never have? Sarah may not have been questioning her father, but others certainly were.

Boris, can you ask him where he was the last person to see Karen? Look, Boris is really distressed at the moment, so I’d rather you didn’t ask him. Boris, did you kill Karen? Did that shock you? Yeah. And why did it shock you? I just think it unnecessary. How did your father react? He was upset that it’d been asked in front of me.

I don’t remember the car ride back just because I was so distressed. I guess I was trying going put up somewhat of a front and put a guard up. But in the meantime, there’s media outside of [music] the house almost all day, every day. And I had the blinds down constantly. And I guess I didn’t leave the house for quite a while.

I was just didn’t want to go out. And to make matters worse, the family was subjected to some hurtful public gossip. Your stepbrother claimed [music] he had a relationship with your mother. Mhm. Your answer is? Completely untrue. Did you ever um address that with him? I haven’t spoken to him since 2014. How did your father react to that allegation? He was extremely angry.

And just yeah. The fact that someone could say that about my mom. Police in Victoria [music] have just confirmed a body found in bushland northwest of Melbourne is that of missing mother Karen Ristevski. On February the 20th, 2017, [music] nearly 8 months after Karen Ristevski went missing, two brothers working [music] in bushland at Mount Macedon, 50 km north of Melbourne, found her body.

Where were you when you found that out? I was at the store [music] and I received a text from my friend Kevin who said that there was a report in the media saying that a body had been found. So then I called Dad and he said that someone from Channel 9 had contacted him and said the same thing and said, “Close the store and come home.

” Your heart must be pounding. Yeah. I just turned the radio off and I just drove. And I just remember turning the corner in my street and just seeing just cameras. And when you went inside? I um I went inside and I met Dad and just hugged him. [snorts] Yes. And he called the police and they were very much very vague.

Um and then a couple hours later got another call saying um two officers would be coming over. And then they sat us down and told us. What did they say? They said, “Unfortunately [snorts] [snorts] They said, “Unfortunately it’s Karen.” [snorts] And Dad we called Mom. We just went We went to down the corridor. We just had a moment.

And we just hugged each other and [snorts] Dad said it’s going to be okay. For the brothers working here at Mount Macedon, this was a terrible discovery. Drawn to an unusual odor, they saw a foot, then a skull emerging from a makeshift grave. Wedged between two logs lay Karen’s body, having suffered the ravages of [music] time, covered with branches and leaves.

When you get to understand that mom’s not coming back, do you ask, “How come? Why? What’s happened?” I just think, “Why, mom? Why did something happen to her?” Why us? You hear about things all the time, and you don’t think that they could happen to you and your family. Bereft [music] and struggling with the tragic news, Sarah had the job of planning her mother’s funeral.

Her father, Boris, was a pallbearer. While Sarah, gripping a picture of her mother, carried the dreadful burden of realizing her mother was not coming home. What were your thoughts of your mom that day? Um she was a great mother. She was. Mhm. And she was. Yeah. I think it was nice to finally just know that she’s where she is.

Yeah. You found her. Yeah. Your dad was a pallbearer. Yeah. Um how did he get through that day? I don’t know. Did you talk to him about it? I think we were just very sad. We both loved Mom. We still both love Mom. [snorts] He told you that? Yeah. And you have no doubt about that? I have no doubt in my mind that my dad loves my mom.

[snorts] And he tells you that? Yes. And he’s hurting as much as I am. The courtroom was packed for Rosteski’s hearing where Boris sat in the dock looking calm throughout proceedings. On December 13th, 2017, 10 months after Karen’s body was found, Boris Rosteski was charged with his wife’s murder. He pleaded not guilty.

Sarah was left with the haunting question. Could her father, the man she loved and trusted most, have done such a monstrous thing to her mother? Were you shocked? Yeah. How did your father feel about being charged with your mom’s murder? I think he just wanted to make sure that everything was put in place for me as in making sure he had a power of attorney.

He didn’t He didn’t go that’s just outrageous? I think because he’d been I guess told that this was going to happen because the police had been so open about it. Tell me what your heart’s thinking though. I think my heart’s saying this is impossible. You can’t comprehend how I can’t comprehend that she’s gone. And I don’t want to think about how that happened.

But yet you’re forced to think about it because your dad is now charged with her murder. I think when you’re in my position your mind’s all over the place and you’re thinking of different things and I’m not thinking about how my mom died. It’s not on my I just can’t go there. Did you ask him, “Dad, did you do this?” Did you ask? I can’t remember.

You don’t know whether you asked your dad whether he killed your mom. I think it wasn’t I think I I I think people need to know. Did you confront dad? I asked him. You asked him what? If he had anything to do with it. And your father said what? Coming up, more of Sarah Ristevski’s untold story. [music] Finding Karen Ristevski’s body in the dense bushland of Mount Macedon north [music] of Melbourne was like finding a needle in a haystack.

The tragic discovery [music] in February 2017 put an end to months of searching. But it also confirmed what everyone had feared. This 47-year-old mom hadn’t walked out on her family, she had been brutally [music] killed. For months detectives [music] had been tracking Boris Tristevski’s every move, searching CCTV footage, assessing mobile data, and using listening devices.

But finding Karen’s body here at Mount Macedon, they believed nailed their case. [music] Boris admitted to police that on the morning of June 29th, 2016, after their daughter Sarah left the house, he and Karen had argued over the serious financial debt affecting their fashion business. We had a bit of a argument in regards to the store figures and how she was going to, you know, improve them and that she might have just walked down the street or just to clear her head.

But police say she didn’t. Boris killed Karen that morning in the house and then loaded her body into the boot of her car, a black Mercedes, and drove north. Mobile network communication towers detected both Boris and Karen’s phones along the journey. Data showed 24 minutes into the trip, Boris turned off his phone.

Police say to avoid being traced or detected. Sometime [music] later, it’s believed he deactivated Karen’s phone. CCTV footage captured the Mercedes traveling out of the city and crucially taking a route towards Mount Macedon. And it’s here that Boris disposed of Karen, his wife of 27 years, in a remote area of the main road.

He then went home and began his long and dreadful act of deceit, lying to everyone and cruelest of all to his daughter, Sarah. Are you innocent, Mr. Ristevski? [music] Police investigations intensified. Boris Ristevski now admits [music] what the country long suspected. He did it. Nearly 3 years after her death on March 13th, 2019, Boris Ristevski stunned [music] everyone, including his daughter, by pleading guilty to the manslaughter, not murder, of Karen.

In return, he was jailed for just [music] 9 years, 6 years non-parole. Having refused to take responsibility for the death of his wife, Karen, for so long, Boris Ristevski’s decision to plead guilty to manslaughter was surprising. But what really shocked everyone was the decision by Sarah not to give a victim impact statement for the loss of her mother, but instead offering the court a glowing reference for her father.

Why did you do that? I think I just didn’t want to give a victim impact statement because I was giving it to the officers that were so horrible to me in the first place. And also, I wanted to try and represent the dad I knew and the dad I know. [snorts] He created a common enemy and he aligned his daughter against that common enemy.

And I I that’s why she didn’t give the victim impact statement. She felt compelled to defend him because she felt it was about not giving the police what they wanted rather than the macro picture, which was about speaking up for her mom. I think he robbed her of that and that is unforgivable. British psychologist and criminal behavioral analyst Laura Richards specializes in domestic violence.

She’s worked with both the FBI and New Scotland Yard and has followed the case since Karen went missing and Boris became the prime suspect. The fact that he manages to compartmentalize everything and look his daughter in the eye and tell her that he doesn’t know where she is and continues that for not just days or weeks or months, for years.

Even carrying her coffin at the funeral, that takes a very particular type of person. And but what type of person is that? Well, someone who has the ability to keep their head, to be a good strategist, to be more manipulative and devious than most. Laura Richards’ experience with domestic violence cases has exposed her to what she calls coercive control, one partner’s ability to subtly manipulate the other.

She believes Boris most likely had coercive control over Karen and now his daughter. I feel very angry about the fact that he denied Karen that voice at court. He denied people to certainly her daughter [music] to talk about her grief of her mother never being in her life. Whatever the significant events are going to unfold for Sarah, she will experience them without her mother and that’s because of him.

I feel more anger than she does. But it just shows how anesthetized she is and how well she has compartmentalized this either for her own self-preservation or preservation of the relationship and preservation of what that relationship symbolizes to her. There is a a school of thought I think that you’re under his spell.

Yeah. Is it possible? Well, maybe in other people’s cases it is. But I definitely think for myself like my mom, if someone told me what to think or what to do, I’d go and do the opposite. Your dad doesn’t tell you what to say and what to do? No, if anyone listens to our phone conversations, which they do, they’d hear the opposite and even if I asked what should I do with something, he said, “You’re your own person.

You do what you want. I’ve brought you up that way.” And has he talked to you about this interview, for example? Has he told you what he would want you to say? He told me to be truthful and to be myself. It’s all he asked. Sarah spent nearly 3 years by her father’s [music] side before he finally surrendered his position and publicly pleaded guilty to killing his wife, Karen.

[music] But privately, to Sarah it seems, Boris has maintained his innocence. [music] Did you confront Dad? I asked him. You asked him what? If he had anything to do with it. And your father said what? No. Do you still believe him? I think he’s my dad, so nothing’s changed. But does that mean you still believe him? Mhm. You believe he’s innocent? I don’t know what to believe.

Why are you confused? I don’t know. I just I hate thinking about what’s happened and I’d rather think of the better times. Isn’t it important to know though? I just think it’s tiring. It is tiring, but it’s it’s always there. I just feel like I can’t move forward if I’m stuck in the past. But you can’t move forward, can you, if you don’t know what happened? I just think I’m not emotionally ready to be there.

Can I ask you this? If your dad didn’t do this, somebody did. Mhm. What do you make of somebody who does that? I’m not here to judge. But as a daughter who’s just had her mother taken from her and clearly in not a good way [snorts] um you can judge that, can’t you? Can we have a break? Is that all right? Are these too hard, these questions? a little bit.

People are going to ask you this all the time. Why you can’t answer that. And that is if your dad didn’t kill your mom, somebody did. And what do you make of somebody who does that? I just don’t want to think about it. I’m just asking, you know, why have you chosen to not examine your dad and why have you hung in there with him, I guess.

I I in him. I think that’s what it is. You believe in him in what way? I don’t know. What do you mean? Sorry. You believe he’s innocent or you believe have a break? This is something done. Sure. More of Sarah Ristevski’s untold story in a moment. December 6th, last year, and Sarah Ristevski’s nightmare continues.

As she looks across the heart of Melbourne, a city that has never forgiven her father, Borce, nor her for standing by him, she’s bracing for another day in public. What kind of day is [music] it going to be for you, do you think? Stressful, I think. I think it’s just the constant stalking and chasing. Just trying to get a picture.

You feel harassed? Yeah. Her father has already been jailed for a paltry 9 years, 6 years non-parole for killing her mother. But public outrage and an [music] appeal by the Victorian Office of Public Prosecutions against the leniency of the sentence [music] sees them both back in court today. Yeah, but like if they see me out in public And for Sarah, it’s an anxious journey.

In a majority verdict, the Court of Appeal judges agreed with prosecutors that 9 years jail for the manslaughter of Karen Ristevski was inadequate. The Court of Appeal ruled Borce Ristevski should spend 4 more years in jail. With a 10-year non-parole period. Sarah, is there anything you wanted to say? Sarah is devastated, but outside the court, she gives no hint of her feelings.

It’s definitely higher than I thought. Do you have to accept that now? Yeah, I do, but it’s hard because I think people forget that yes my dad’s serving the time, but I feel like I am as well. I think I’m glad it’s all over. But it’s just another chapter starting, I guess. In what way? I think the realization that like I’m kind of alone.

As alone as she might be, what horrifies Sarah even more is a belief that she too is somehow guilty. Did you have anything to do with your mom’s death? No. What do you say to those people who think that? I think it’s horrible to say about someone especially when I’ve done nothing at all. How has that affected you? It’s really quite I don’t know.

It hurts my soul, basically. Yeah, especially because I was so close with my mom and anyone that knew us or knows me knows how tight up on was. The court deemed your father a keeper of secrets that he’s never explained what happened and why that happened. It would be reasonable don’t you believe to have that information? I think if people are asking me they’re asking the wrong person.

I think people should ask my dad maybe in 11 years time. Do you accept the concept though that information does help everyone move on? I understand that. So, just to be clear, you’ve never been given any details? No. It’s hard to understand why, but it’s information that right now Sarah doesn’t know and doesn’t want to know.

But it is also one of the few times Sarah makes an admission [music] that her father is guilty, a position from which she then suddenly retreats. And the court also made the point that they’d not ever seen any remorse from your father. Mhm. Have you? I see the sadness of the loss of my mom. We both have the same amount of sadness.

We loved her very much. We still love my mom. Yes, you said that he he says he still loves your mom. Yeah, and I see pain. It’s hard for people to Sorry. All right. Um for people to say that my dad doesn’t love my mom or care. It’s [snorts] just like people don’t see um the pain that like I see that he feels when I go to see He’s very sorry about what happened.

He misses her every day. [snorts] He does. He misses her every day. Yeah. Does he say he’s sorry? I don’t like to talk about what happened. It’s probably not a bad thing for people to understand that your dad is very sad, and it’s not a bad thing for people to know, if it’s true that he has said how deeply sorry he is.

If he hasn’t said it, that’s a different matter, but if he has said it, I think they need to know. We just don’t talk about it. Okay. I don’t like to talk about it. I don’t like to think about it. Criminal behavioral analyst and psychologist Laura Richards isn’t surprised by what she’s hearing. I see in the sadness of the loss of my mom.

Why is sorry so hard? Why is because he’s pleaded guilty. So, why is saying sorry so hard? Because then that would be a full admission to to Sarah in some sense. He’s pleading guilty saying that he’s been pressured and they were going to get me anyhow and the police were against me, everyone’s against me. I believe that that’s a narrative he’s been feeding her and if I’m going to go down then I’m going to, you know, plead guilty because I want to do it for you, Sarah.

Does she really believe that he did it? I think deep down she does, but he has given her nothing on the surface to reinforce that that he actually did. I believe him. I think that’s what it is. Well, I believe she is a good person. You know, she is not the person who either colluded or conspired or did anything to harm her mother, but the problem now is that she’s doing her father’s bidding ostensibly.

No matter which way you cut this. That’s exactly what’s happened. She’s doing his bidding and he has put her in this position and I feel that’s her inner conflict that’s going on. It will be at Boris Ristevski’s choosing if we’re to learn the details of Karen’s death. Until then, if ever, those details will remain his dreadful secret. What do you suspect did happen? There is she of 27 years they were together.

She’s the one making the money and yes, they’re in debt. Something changed in that dynamic. Something happened. An argument has happened and [music] I would suspect that that argument was probably about separation and about money. And the hands may well have gone round the neck. It’s hard, I think, for people to understand why you support your father.

Mhm. I think because at the end of the day, he’s my father. And I have one parent left. And even though he’s pleaded guilty, I guess sometimes I I just find it hard to comprehend that he’s guilty, but I think if I was in his position, he would be by my side. You support him because you still love him. I love my dad now.

I loved him before and I’ll love him in 11 years when he’s home. Even though he has pleaded guilty. Yeah. More of Sara Ristevski’s untold [music] story in a moment. [laughter] It’s taken a long time for Sara Ristevski to see the sunshine. A long time since she’s been able to laze over a long lunch with friends. Those who’ve done their best to understand her situation and who’ve stuck by her all these years.

[laughter] I think sometimes people forget there’s a human being on the other side. Do you know what I mean? Like Sara’s not just like Sara Ristevski. Like she she’s a human being like the rest of us. She feels anxious. She feels sad sometimes. She feels happy sometimes. Like it’s not this random like name just to throw into a paper.

[music] Sarah says she desperately wants to escape the shadows of the past, [music] not be a victim, and set a future for herself. What do you want people to know about you? I had a dream. I think that I’m more than Sarah Stesvsky that lost her mom and that has her dad in jail. Who are you then? I’m 24. Um I’m a graphic designer.

I love to travel. And I guess I’m somewhat normal. But she realizes there are still tough challenges ahead. Excruciating realities she’s yet to face. You’ve had significant things taken from you. And what I mean by that is your mom will not be there for your marriage if you decide to marry. For the children should you have children.

How significant is that? Very. Can you forgive that? I don’t think I’ll ever forget that mom’s not here, but it’s hard for me to I don’t know, process. But can you forgive that that’s been taken from you? I don’t know. Do you worry that in a year 10 years you might wake up and go, “Oh my goodness. My dad did this?” I guess anything can happen in life, and I can’t worry about what’s going to happen tomorrow or how I might be feeling in 10 years time, cuz I don’t know.

Sarah is in an agonizing predicament, having to deal with the knowledge that her mother’s death was at the hands of her father. Ultimately, it means she must now navigate the years ahead alone, find her own path, while coming to terms with losing her mom in the most horrific way. Do you Do you dream of Mom? Yeah.

All the time. She happy? Yeah. What do you take with you? What are What are the the things you’ll can never change for you about your mom? Um her personality, and I guess when I dream, I hear her voice and laugh. So, yeah. That’s nice. Yeah. What are your dreams? What are you hoping for? I just hope to make my parents proud.

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