Dr. Murray, I imagine that prison was quite confronting. >> Well, I was not in prison. It’s clearly different to being in jail. I was in jail based upon the way I was sentenced. So, I’ve never made it to prison. And >> being incarcerated, I guess, is what we’re talking about. >> Absolutely. That’s different.
I mean, of course, it has been a moni monumental adversity. I don’t think words can really truly describe the pain and the suffering, the anguish that one experiences, especially when you have lived a life like I have. I’ve had good homes for myself and for my children, my family. I have enjoyed nice things in life. And when this happened, this sudden change, it plummets to unfathomable level of distress, very very harsh, very painful.
It’s um I take time to really truly describe it. Did you ever fear for your life while you were incarcerated? >> No, I never did. Actually, when I first got into jail, I was asked voluntarily to consider going to a hospital, part of the jail. And this may have been because the medical staff of course recognizing I was a physician also told me it is jail but the transition could be so adverse that they were recommending that I go to the hospital not involuntarily but voluntarily and that makes a difference if you
>> so you did that >> I did if you do go involuntarily it meant you’re suicidal or had those ideas but I was ever suicidal? Clearly, I was morbidly distressed and depressed. But I um >> But you never considered taking your own life? >> Never considered taking my own life. Never considered harming anyone or any of that.
>> And you never felt fear from other prisoners? >> Not not from any other prisoners. But just going into such an environment, it is enough for concern. So I spent about two weeks in that area and then subsequently I was transit I went through a transitional phase to the actual jail uh where the the cells would be and um even though I was at that unit it was a little frightening for me when I got there because I can tell you some of the things I experienced >> from what you saw Well, when I first got in that section,
the minute I came down with the deputies and they told me where the the cell I was going to be at, which is cell number eight, as soon as I was enclosed, all of the the inmates started to call me, hey, Conrad, by name, you know, hey, welcome, you know, sorry that this happened to you. Um, would you like something to clean? Would you want some gloves? And, you know, they just started to give me all the information.
and they decided to just immediately take good care of me. >> No one called you Michael Jackson’s killer. >> No, not at all. Actually, the cell right next to me happened to be also a doctor, a physician. And that may have been placed so that we can have conversations of mutual um concerns. And during that morning, just sitting in that cell, cold and harsh and graffiti and all sorts of signs, an aluminum sink, an aluminum basin, sellers 5T by seven with a solid metal bunk and a small 1 in cushion for mattress.
is I was called to the attorney room to have an attorney visit. That was great. So, I got out of the area, went to the attorney’s room, and when I when I was through with my conversation with the attorney, just knowing I was going back to that environment compared to when I was in the hospital, I broke down. I became very tearful because I did not know what to expect.
And even though the entrance and meeting all of these inmates were cordial, yet still I had an inherent fear. Who was the guy next to me? Why was he incarcerated? Who was the other person? It was just tremendously hard for me. So at that time I was at in tears and I was seen by someone from the psychiatry department who confirmed again that I was not suicidal but clearly this was a big the change was affecting me >> s simply distressed.
>> Absolutely. And they asked if I wanted to go back to the hospital. I said yes. >> So did you spend the majority of your time in the prison hospital? In the jail hospital, I spent a total of three weeks because after the the prior two weeks I spoke of, I went back for one week and just prior to the holiday, I think it was coming to be Thanksgiving.
I went back to the cell that I was initially introduced to but could not stay there. >> Now when I went back there after a week, I got back into the same cell number eight. I had no idea where I was. I thought I was in a completely different area until about 4 hours after being there, somebody said, “Hey, Conrad, how are you doing there? Is there anything you need and I heard the voice?” And I said, “Kevin, is that you?” He said, “Yes.” I says, “I had no idea.
Am I back where I was before?” He said, “Yeah, you’re in the same place. They saved it for you.” And um with that, I had to try to make an adjustment. >> Did you make friends in jail? I never had an enemy in jail. I was very cordial to the to the inmates and I did things with the inmates that were very helpful to them.
If they had a medical question as many of them do, I answered and many of the chair was very engrossed in also understanding and asking their own question. But the conversations in jail became so not significant in substance. So I changed the the the millu. There’s quite a bit of obscinity in language and there’s all sorts of description of how an inmate may feel about certain condition.
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But after having heard enough of that, I started to do what is called the word of the day. I thought that I would educate the inmates. >> So you played teacher. >> Absolutely. >> I taught them a word of the day and then we will use it in 20 different forms and see how it related to other words and it became quite exciting for them or something new.
So >> you you had time clearly two years to reflect. You said you had a very strong relationship with Michael Jackson. How close was that relationship? >> I was his closest friend. You see, indeed, I was Michael’s doctor, but I spent more time with him as a friend than taking care of him medically. I love Michael.
I will mourn his loss forever. I am so sad that he is not here. >> What would he make of your conviction? >> Oh, this would be very distressing for Michael to see what I have gone through and what I am going through. But our friendship was inadvertently formed from trust and with no intentions of forming that bond between us. It just happened.
I think Michael developed a conf a comfort and a trust in me that for the first time in his life ever he felt he could regurgitate the distress of his life. >> Did you lose sight of being his doctor and allow yourself to be his friend foremost? >> Not at all. >> You were able to differentiate between the two? >> Absolutely.
Let me tell you about being a doctor. I am not just a simple primary care physician and nothing to say about primary care because they’re great doctors but I have been trained as an internist. I have been trained as a specialist in cardiology and I am a spe specialist in interventional cardiology with a nuclear license in nuclear medicine and nuclear cardiology.
I have been well trained after my first degree in at Texas Southern University. I went to Mahari Medical College and during my my stint at Mahairi to complete my degree I was also trained at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, a fabulous institution. From the Mayo Clinic, I ended up at Lomolinda University Medical Center because I did not want to stay longer in Minnesota during the cold weather and I wanted to go somewhere where there were beaches and sunshine and they recommended Luminda is a great institution. I was quite excited with
Lumal Linda because if you heard of the baby fa baboon heart transplant that institution was renowned for that and I said wow they’re pioneering that’s where I want to go. So I went to Lomalinda. They accepted me from Lomolinda. After doing very well and graduating as an internist, I then went to the University of Arizona. Exciting.
I had a chance to take care of Native American Indians and to to stay on the reservations and to train diseases that is so extraordinary that you don’t see in the urban cities these days. It was fabulous, an extensive experience. After graduating from fellowship at the University of Arizona, Tucson, I then went to the University of California, San Diego for my subsp specialty training in interventional cardiology to be trained by Maurice Bbinder, the one of the number one interventional cardiologists in the world.
After training with Maurice at Sharp and University of California, San Diego, I became his associate director for training fellows in interventional cardiology. I’ve taken my work very serious. I have learned a master skill. There’s no question about it. And I could easily separate that from friendship and taking care of a patient who has a problem.
>> I don’t think anybody doubts your qualifications. >> What they would say is you should have known better. >> I should have known better. What do you mean exactly? >> You should have known better not to have given in to Michael Jackson. >> Well, well, your question is quite open. And when you say given in, I can still say, well, let’s narrow that down and say specifically, what are you asking? >> You should not have given him the treatment that killed him.
>> I did not give Michael Jackson any treatment that would kill him. Actually, actually, what the world has misconstrued is that I was actually trying to take Michael Jackson off of a substance. I think he should not have been using on his own. But >> there’s no doubt >> you failed. >> I did not fail in the sense it may appear to you to the to you or the rest of the world that I have failed, but I did successfully get Michael Jackson off proper fall >> for two nights.
>> No, up three days prior to the time he died. >> Three days. >> Yes. >> But he died. He did not die while I was taking care of him. And during the time when Michael Jackson passed away, Michael Jackson was not on that substance. It’s very important to know that >> Michael Jackson was on propall. >> No, he was not.
>> That’s not what the report says from the coroner’s office. >> Well, the coroner’s office did not say he was not in proper fall. They said he died from what they describe as a lethal dose of propall with a with an adjunctive amount of benzoizipene. Okay. But they never said that he was on propall.
If you look at the evidence, it’s very clear. Propall was never found in the IV tubing that Mr. Jackson was on except for at the lower injection port. >> But it was found inside his body. it if it was found inside of his body, it did not go into his body because it was on a drip, nor was it in an infusion. >> But how did he get it if it didn’t go via the administration of your work? If he if he had propol in his body and it is the reason why he died according to the coroner’s court, how did it get there if you didn’t put it there? Well, you could
not answer the question. Neither could I. I was not present when Mr. Jackson took his actions on his own that likely caused his demise. I’ll give you an example. And this doesn’t have to do with proof of war, but it may expand at least with an example. But I think if you were driving down the street in your car driving, you ran into somebody who was lying in the middle of the road and you swung around that person and kept going, an injured person, I would say, no, that’s really heartless.
If you struck that person and knew you struck that person and then kept going, that would be a hit and run. That’s a crime. But here’s the situation. What if you’re driving down the road unexpectedly, and then whoa, in front of you, you stumble upon a body that’s lying there. You stopped your car, got out, tried to help that human being, left your car at the scene, got in an ambulance, and take that person all the way to the hospital and remained there for several hours, even beyond the time he passed, to help.
Which one of those scenarios would you consider as somebody trying to help an individual versus somebody being skeless and forgetting somebody who is hurt? Well, um, let’s start from the beginning. Why did you sign up with Michael Jackson? >> Well, again, is this another general question? Why did I sign up? So, let me rephrase your question.
>> I think it’s it’s a straightforward question. Why why did you decide that you wanted to work with Michael Jackson? >> I have been Michael Jackson’s doctor since 2006. >> But you’ve not seen him much. That’s not the case. >> You’d seen him a lot. >> I said, as I said earlier in this interview, I have been Michael Jackson’s doctor, but I have spent more time with Michael Jackson as a friend in the times I’ve had to treat him.
But I started my relationship with Michael in 2006, which is 3 years earlier than 2009. And um >> So you signed up with him because he was a friend >> to be his doctor? >> Yes. No, I signed up when I became his doctor, which of course there’s an agreement. I became a doctor because I was asked to see him and I took care of himself and his children.
And then with that initial inception, we then developed a bond and the friendship came out of that. >> But you you shut down your practice basically to go and work exclusively for him. Did you do that for the money because you were you were in debt? Were you starruck? Were you seduced by fame? >> Not at all.
I’ve been Michael Jackson’s doctor for three years before that time. I was not starruck by Michael. If was anything, I was so sympathetic to Michael because of the things I’ve learned about Michael, the things that he shared with me. He left a sorrow heart in me. You know, the guy was suffering all his life and he never had a friend that he could really trust.
Do you know Michael Jackson tried to make friends by going on Hollywood Boulevards and other places this guys stepping on people’s feet to see if they would turn around and not curse him, push him away. He would do things like that. There were times when people recognized he may have been Michael and they say, “Oh, Michael.
” And that from anger to love and that’s not what he wanted. But the bottom line is this. Um, when I agreed, which is the point you’re asking about, to become his personal physician for the This is a tour. It Michael pursued me for months. It started back in December of 2008 trying to encourage me, entice me to join him.
I was not jumping for that offer. Was not a big deal. $150,000 is not strange income. >> $150,000 a month is not a >> I am a specialist. I own more than one practice. I own practices in Houston, Texas. I >> But you were also in debt. >> We are all in debt. >> Well, not all of us. >> Well, I all is it’s an error to say that not 100% but many people are in debt.
Was your debt a a factor in taking up the job? >> Not at all. >> And stardom was not a factor. You weren’t seduced by the fact it was Michael Jackson. >> No. >> You’d already had an inkling that Michael Jackson needed proper >> to sleep because you’d been involved in a situation where he’d called upon you to help him in that regard.
>> And when are you speaking about exactly? I’m talking about when he was in Vegas and he rang and asked whether you could help supply it. >> So let’s move. So So you have moved months and ahead in the >> My point is that you knew that he had medical issues. >> Medical issues could be broad >> related to the need for propol.
Michael Jackson sprung upon me in the spring of 2009, which was months after he had been pursuing me to join his team as I go back into December of 2008. >> But the fact is you helped him out. >> I did not give him propall. >> No, but you helped facilitate it. >> I helped I offered my office and I made a call to the doctor that he had a number to that he asked me to call.
I told him, frankly, if you look at my police statement, that’s not something you just put your hands on, Michael. And you know, I was surprised when he brought it up, actually, because >> that told you that told you that Michael Jackson had an unusual belief in how to treat his insomnia. >> Well, you do not make an un You don’t just conclude that there’s an unusual belief because somebody brought this up.
I thought it was unusual for Michael to have come up with such an idea. But then he he said that this doctor in Las Vegas gave it to him all the time. He said he asked if I knew the doctor. I said no I did not. And that was quite this case. He then got a number and gave me to ask me to call this doctor which I did.
And interestingly, the day that he agreed to when I called this doctor, this doctor was supposed to call a plastic surgeon’s office that he was apparently given micro this thing and the doctor was going to charge him a price for a procedure that was not going to be done and I offered them my office because I had all the the equipment.
>> So why would you do that when you know that that is not an acceptable practice for somebody who needs to sleep right at that point before you’re even hired? Well, it is not that I was giving him this to sleep. He asked that I get him a doctor that he was familiar with who was giving him a substance. >> But you knew, I mean, let’s not be fuzzy about it.
You knew what was going to happen and you helped facilitate that. That this doctor was going to give him what he wanted, which was propol to put him to sleep. And you knew that, and you helped facilitate that. If Michael Jackson did not ask to speak to this gentleman and ask me to get him propall, I explained to him that that was not happening.
Michael Jackson asked me to call this doctor for him. I made their connection. The doctor called back and said that the plastic surgeon’s office that he normally treats Michael at wanted to charge him $4,000 to use the office and will make a false report of procedure that Michael was going to have that was which was not true.
That was advantageous to Michael. Michael wanted to sleep and if that doctor was accustomed treating Michael and that was a condition, I offered them my office. >> Okay. >> And that was that. >> All right. So you allowed that to pass. you you didn’t you weren’t directly involved even though you facilitated the ability for it to happen.
>> I facilitated the the the suite which was my office so they can use it because all >> you knew it was going to take place. >> Well, he was going to treat Michael and that was between the doctor and Michael but I was making sure that there was a place that was safe and available for Michael. >> Right. You sign up.
>> You must have known immediately that propol was on the agenda. Oh, no. >> In treating Michael? >> No. >> Well, you’d been with him for two months before he died and you told police that you treated him every day with prepopul 3. >> Yes. But you have to again, but you you you must keep your times correct here.
Michael pursued me since December of 2008, long before the Christmas holidays, trying to become his doctor. There’s no proper fall involved. There was no probable fall involved in January. When he came to to Vegas and asked about getting to this other doctor, it was in February, in the spring going into March. Okay.
By the time I agreed to be Michael’s physician for the tour, that was way back in January. >> You knew that you were with him for two months prior to his death. >> Mhm. >> You treated him just about every day with propold. So very quickly >> for two months. >> Yes. Yes, >> you you understood that this is what he wanted and you gave it to him.
>> I treated Michael certainly and as I explained to the police for at least two months could have been 2 and 1/2 months. Okay. With propall I did it fine and he slept. But I also told you and which you haven’t asked. Michael told me that propall was his insomnia was so bad. That’s when he explained this to me and he always used it when he was on tour.
He also mentioned doctors in Germany and different places. >> Yes. >> And um I spoke with Michael. I did not agree. >> Yes. Yes, you did agree though because you gave it to him. >> May I finish? But just listen to me out there. >> Sure. >> I did not agree with Michael and using something such a powerful seditive for sleep.
So what I told Michael is that we have to get you off of that substance. However, I mean to call it ideal or non ideal, Michael Jackson is not the guy you can just say stop it. >> It’s not a treatment for insomnia. No matter what he said to you, no matter how he begged, no matter how hard it is that he is Michael Jackson asking you, the truth is, and it’s the thing I don’t I don’t know why you don’t accept is that you should never have given it to him ever.
Michael Jackson had a lot of doctors who treated him with propall. Conwood Murray was a doctor that treated Michael with propall but with the intention of getting Michael to understand. I do not want you using the substance again and I succeeded. You may not have liked. >> You didn’t succeed though. He died.
>> Let me finish. Let me finish. When Mike again, maybe I’m not making this point very clear. >> Well, I I I’m hearing you, but you’re you’re not accepting that it was You thought you were doing the right thing by trying to get him off it but still using it. Frankly, you should never have given it to him in the first place.
>> You spoke about using propall for insomnia. Propal is a seditive >> but a but it’s a general anesthetic. >> It is used it could be a continuum to anesthesia which goes in different levels. You have 1 2 3 4 etc. and anesthesia. Okay. Mild sedation, minimal sedation, conscious sedation. I am a licensed certified doctor to give sedation.
Michael Jackson is not the first person I treat with propall. I choose propall in the hospital for all con types of procedures and I’ve used propall in patients in the critical care unit. And >> but you’ve never used it to put somebody to sleep because they have an insomnia. Yeah, propall is meant to sedate and to keep patients sleeping.
The the issue here is here is I am not saying there is any protocol written for propall or indication that propall is to be treat is to treat refractory insomnia even though there are studies that was done that show that it is effective in that setting but a today’s medicine regardless of what country you come from a label use is very common look at for example Dr.
Robert Markman. Dr. Robert Markman treated his daughter more than 500 times for 5 years for external genitalia pain. In November of 2009, his medical expert was Dr. Schaefer, who was the medical expert key witness for the prosecution in my case. Dr. Schaefer found nothing wrong with using propall for external genitalia pain was a pain remedy on a woman for external genia genitalia pain at home treated by her father who was a doctor but he had a he took great contention with me using propall in Mr.
Michael Jackson’s home here’s the same expert doctor destroying one doctor and supporting the other Dr. Schaefer writes to the medical board of California. The only issue that he had with the iss with this proof of fall use for external genitalia was not it was used in the home. It was because the physician treated a family member.
That was his only concern. Right now let’s let’s push this a little further. Just a little just here something. There’s a really important thing. You know there’s some rules in medicine that we follow. There are recommendations and recommendations could be modified accepted whatever it is. You know, if you look at coronary stent implantation and treat the coronary artery, you may find that all of the trials when they first came out said, “Hey, you don’t want to treat an segment longer than 15 mm.” Now, we treat segments 40 mm in
length. When they were doing the initial studies, if you were to take that length of the vessel and the type of stance we having, there will be a rapid resin closure of those stances and the studies likely will fail. Since that time, people have extended and making the therapy better and better.
So off label use is fairly used but contraindication is important for you to understand. >> I understand. >> Does that mean yeah >> that if you were given this opportunity again you would use propall to treat insomnia? >> No I would not. >> Why not? >> Since you feel that it was an appropriate thing to do at the time. I was again I said that I would not because that’s really the truth.
I never ever wanted to use propall on Michael but meeting him with propall and if I I was concerned about Michael I wanted to be the person who can get him off of propall. Michael was exposed to a lot of doctors who did a lot of bad things to him so bad you would not even want to hear it on this program.
And I wanted to help Michael to get off of that. I wanted to help Michael to develop a better mind. I wanted Michael to succeed. I wanted Michael to be all that he can be. He had so much doubts. He was so miserable. He had perished so long. He had languished in pain. His life was so wretched. He was hurt by so many people that if Michael could cry to me and regurgitate that thing, you wouldn’t believe the amount of pain and sorrow that he left on my heart. It was so horrible.
Michael Jackson was not 50 years when he died. Michael Jackson was 120 years when he died. As far as his suffering, it was twice his age and more painful. The reason why Michael Jackson said to me before he died, this is what Michael said. Conrad, I have five I have four family members excluding myself. You know who they are? No.
Did you tell me Prince Paris blanket and Dr. Conrad? That’s my family. That’s the family I want for the rest of my life. He had severed relationship with every one of his blood kin. >> Just to divert a bit, you said that Michael Jackson said to you he was tired of being used as a family bank. >> Oh god. >> What did you mean by that? Those are his words.
Michael was tortured and in pain in order to meet the needs and the high spending of his family members which all fell into his pocket and the man became impunious. Michael Jackson was penniless. Michael Jackson did not own a home. Michael Jackson did not afford the food in his refrigerator. Michael Jackson >> was broke >> and I was shocked when I got the news.
I was already working with Michael. They had unceremoniously rapidly asked me to close my practice after I had asked for some time for a transition because I was hiring someone else because I care so much for my patients. I did not want to just leave them and say, “Hey, I’m going away with Michael. That’s it.
” No, I cared about my patients. Still do. When I we had a meeting at the house in Carolwood, we had two meetings. I called them. And on the final meeting that the last one before he died after the meeting was over, Kenny Randy Phillips, the CEO and president of AG at that time, said, “Dr. you have a minute standing in the courtyard. I said, “Sure.
” So, I walked out to speak to Randy and what was shocking to me is when the man scowlled his eyebrows and he said, “This guy does not have a dime. If he does not do this, it’s over. He’s going to be on Skidro. I’ve never been to Skidro, but I’ve read a lot about it. And that’s where the homeless and the less of the less survive. This is Conrad Murray, Dr.
Murray. This is my friend Michael. He has nothing. He has not paid me a dime. >> You never got paid? No, I came there. I’m trying to help you. Everybody has put so much pressure on you. I try to create schedules and then I’m shocked. If I was there for the money, I would grab my bags and take off. I didn’t take off.
When Michael saw me talking to Randy Phillips outside, he asked me to come, come and he said, “Kiran, don’t talk to them. Please, please don’t talk to But he was just trying to prevent me from having this conversation. But I was shocked out of my wits when I got that information. But did I tell Michael that? Did I tell Michael what or did I share with him what Randy Phillips told me? I kept that pain to myself.
>> You are aware that Paris Jackson attempted suicide. >> Yes. >> And you made a phone call to her. >> Oh, I did. >> Why did you do that? Because Paris is very close to me. The children are genuinely close to me. >> As I understand it, Paris’s deep distress was based on the loss of her father. And given the family is of the opinion that you are responsible for Michael Jackson’s death, wasn’t it totally inappropriate to call and leave that message for Paris? >> Um, no, it wasn’t.
Again, >> insensitive? >> No, it wasn’t insensitive. I I I did a lot of compassion and care for Paris. But I can tell you this. I know those children and I can assure you that it is not the father’s not being present or his the father’s death that has Paris yielding towards suicidal ideiation. This is one of Michael’s pain.
Conrad. Yes. Yes, Michael. Conrad, has your father ever hugged you? I give him an answer. Conrad, do you know my mother, my father, and all of those other family members have never hugged my children? Do you know, Conrad, the only I when you come in here, they run to you, they reach out to you, they hug you, and I watch when they’re in pain and they’re feeling sick, they say, “Doc, Dr.
Conrad called daddy called Dr. Conrad and when I when I hug his children it was so moving for him because they never hug the children. The children were isolated. >> Jackson never hugged his children. >> He did but not his parents, not his father, his mother or any of those people who came there. The last time I saw Paris ever hugged by a Jackson, it was during the memorial service at a stable center when she says something about daddy was the best father they’ve had and her aunt put her arms around her partially covering her mouth. But
they’ve never held the children and I have that connection. The children are lonely where they are. The children are not feeling love where they are. And Michael Jackson knows that and it goes back to your former question when you spoke to me which I haven’t answered you yet about Michael didn’t want to be a bank for the family.
And if you still want to address that, we can talk about it. >> I’ll I’ll move on just for time reasons. But you recorded a conversation you had with Michael Jackson. Why did you do that? Interestingly, you know, I wasn’t even aware that I had the recording. Did I record it? Absolutely. It wasn’t my phone. It wasn’t done with any intentions that I was going to use this to blackmail Michael one day.
It could be my paycheck. Listen to me. If I want to blackmail Michael Jackson, it wouldn’t take that phone call. It would be far worse than that. It would shatter the world. Okay. >> What do you mean by that? >> That’s what I said. It was the the phone call was not meant to It was not >> But you kept it.
Why didn’t you get rid of it? >> As I said, I didn’t even realize it was there. Truly, it was >> When did When did you realize it was there? >> When they got played it in court. >> That’s the first time. >> That’s the first time I recognized it was there. But then I re I tried to go back. I was thinking with the attorney, when could this have happened? If you look at the date of the recording as I would look back in time and try to really go hard, it was on a Sunday and the Sunday is when I was usually off.
I would leave Michael so I can go visit my family and see my children. It was on a Sunday and it was midm morning. I think maybe 10:00. Michael Jackson and I spoke about so many things and one of the things that I kid with him about is how much he snored. Michael Jackson says, “Hey, you know, Conrad, this is what we should do.
We should put up a tripod one day with a camera and we should record and so I could see I really want my Smith and he know he’s a a jokester and he would laugh and chuckle.” He really wanted to know and I believe I may have um dictate may have recorded it and I just never paid attention to it. But it was not meant to harm him.
But one thing it does show, if you look at my police statement, my police statement, they said I lied about everything. I never did. I mentioned that Michael Jackson was going to open the Michael Jackson Memorial Hospital. I gave the name to the hospital. He wanted me to be a director there. We spoke about how we’re going to set it up and all of those things.
And that tape does show Michael talking about that with me. But also, if you listen to it really carefully, pay attention. Michael Jackson was being sedated at that time. Michael Jackson was unpropful at that time. I was sitting right there. You can hear me asking him, “Are you okay?” Just basically gently facilitating him.
But it was 10:00 in the day and Michael Jackson was up based upon a night of rest and propall. And as I look back after the fact, Michael Jackson had a way when he I would have the IV out before he got up and he would reach quickly for the IV. And then he said to me, “Please don’t take it out before I get up. Take it out when I’m awake.
” I said, “But why would you want me to just take it off? You wake up and you’re fine.” You know, he wanted me to keep the IV in place. He wanted to see it. It was >> Why? because he after Michael got up, he would probably beg for a little bit more sleep. And what you’re experiencing on that tape is Michael being put back to sleep for a short while with a propall infusion.
You did not hear him choking, coughing, saying he had chest pain. Oh, I was feeling poorly. I could not breathe. It was very, very soft and gentle. He was he even said to me after giving me an entire coherent speech which reflects my police statement. I didn’t know the recording was there. He said I’m asleep now. I’m asleep now.
Which says that my skill of even putting him to sleep with my sedation using propall was always very gentle and very smooth. He had no problems at all when I gave him propall. >> No, he went to sleep. There’s no doubt about that. Yeah, but I’m just explaining to you as the event. Those are the events of what happened with that. It >> It’s just an extraordinary recording to have and to accidentally do it and not know.
>> No, no, no. I did not say accidentally. I said Michael Jackson wanted to be recorded on camera with a tripod and I had learned about the eye talk and I may have recorded it just to show him if he had snorred. >> But you said that you didn’t know you’d done it. >> No, I said I did not remember that I had even the recording it really.
>> So, you do remember recording it? I I would have had to record it, >> right? >> But I do not remember that. I did not remember having the recording. Yeah. Because there was no issue. I did not have it for any particular reason. It was never intended to. >> Did he know you were were recording? >> Absolutely. You would have known.
>> You would have told him, would you? >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> On the day that Michael Jackson died, he came home and said he was fatigued. Is that right? >> He does what’s his usual? >> Mhm. You went about your usual procedure applying a saline drip to him and then going through the process of trying to put him to sleep. That’s correct.
Well, it was unusual because I had prior to three days before he died, I had a combination of the benzodiz and propall which he would be on but he was weaned off propall so as far as getting him to sleep from that time on there was no propall the whole idea was trying to use the benzodiacipene and which was larazzipam verse head and if I can get him to sleep on those then the next step would have pills and finally after pills nothing though that was the stage of process that I had in mind >> and you did go through that process you
gave him the the Valium the versed the atvian I think is it >> um laazzipam you mean >> yes advant >> advent so you went through a process of giving him other sedatives >> yes >> and it wasn’t working. >> Nothing would work. >> And then you gave him some more uh of the same sedatives. And in fact said that you had tried to encourage him to meditate.
You rubbed his massaged his legs. You turned the music down. You you did all that. >> You must have read my police statement. You >> absolutely >> done a good job. Yes. So you went through a process of trying to get him to sleep according >> without propall. Absolutely. >> At what point did you decide propall was going to be appropriate? >> I never really wanted to go back because the goal was to get him off of it.
And I mean that was quite troubling for me. It was very sad to see Michael that night struggle for sleep. It was impossible. Michael looked like something out of the thriller movie. He just was so torn up, so distressed, so wanted to sleep and he could not sleep. I wonder what it is for a man to be begging himself to sleep or trying to sleep and just sleep would not come.
It was impossible because the night before he slept fine with just the larza and vers no fall neither tonight can’t. Now I mean putting it into perspective what was what what what did he get? He got a total of four milligrams of fluorizopam and four milligrams of versed in divided doses. Plus they had taken the Valium pill.
That would put me to sleep for a long time. >> In fact you said that to him. >> Yes. But it did not touch him. >> In fact did you not say that um uh you know that if I got the medicine I gave you I’d be sleeping until tomorrow evening. Yes, I I did say that. >> And it’s it it could put an elephant to sleep.
In fact, >> I don’t think it really put an elephant to sleep. You know, you know that is you know I made the same but it’s not really correct. You know I mean certainly like you know >> but but the point was you >> it was the point is that most people receiving that amount of medicine for sedation would have no trouble sleeping.
What is your problem tonight? Why can’t you sleep? And he could not sleep. And it was restless. It was restless. It was hard to see Michael up and down back and forth out to his master suite down to the bathroom. I mean, it just it was just hard. But also at the same time, I was up with him for more than 9 hours with no sleep and seeing watching that struggle except for 10-minute period when I massage his feet and tried to see if meditation would help.
And he thought he slept for a while but was up again. Um, it was hard to see him struggle that much to sleep. And I stuck to my I stuck to my position. I wasn’t going back there. My goal was to get you off of proper fall. That was my goal. Did I purchase proper fall on his behalf? I did. Did I I she was not the kind of person I could say stop and he would follow but I wanted to help him.
So I did purchase proper fall. I did treat him for a number of months helping him but gradually trying to get it off and I succeeded. After I felt I had succeeded to go back to proper fall that was not the window I wanted to open. It was done. It was extremely sad. But then when Michael told me again and he pleaded and he begged and I mean the begging was all night when he said to me, “If I don’t go to rehearsal, I’m going to lose everything.
” I was already informed that Michael Jackson was over $40 million in the hole in climbing. when I saw how desperate he was and I knew how much of a destitute he was and what he was facing if he did not do this. It all again fell in my heart. >> But you’re not his accountant. You’re his doctor. >> I am not his accountant.
I’m not his accountant. But I’m just trying to tell you when you when I put the whole situation together, I was very concerned for Michael. So Michael got no proper fall at all until the morning which was about 10:40 in the morning. >> Yes. And you then gave him propall and you say it was about 25 milliliters. Is that right? >> Right.
And and as I told you earlier in this interview there was no propall found in the line, no propall found in the bag. There was nothing to indicate that Michael Jackson was on a propall trip. But the there was clearly evidence that in the injection port way down below where it’s given by an injection there was propall as along with the other medications flazinil etc.
which you had received. >> You say that you left the uh you stayed and noticed Michael Jackson then went to sleep when you gave him the propall and you left the room for two minutes. Well, let’s talk about that a little bit. I think you know it’s important to expound. When I spoke to the police, I basically try to answer the questions as much as they can ask me.
But the police even when I mentioned that propall Michael called it the milk. The policeman asked me then after despite hours into the interview, how did you give him the milk, Dr. Murray? Was it hot or cold? It was totally in left. He he had no idea. >> Yes. No. Most of us wouldn’t have any idea. >> So I just I I I tried my best to make the interview as simple as possible.
That was the whole thing. But now if you want to ask me about the details of what that meant, I can explain. >> Um >> my my point is that you said that you left, you monitored him. He was asleep. >> Yes. >> And then you got up and left for what you thought was about 2 minutes. >> How long you did I say monitor him? >> I you didn’t.
You you basically said that you saw that he went to sleep and then you but you left his side for about two minutes is what you said >> but after the effect of the propall that was given was totally gone out of his system. So let me explain that >> I said that I I left his bedside when I was comfortable that I had monitored him long enough and there was no longer an issue.
Propall is basically out of his system. no effect by as long as 15 minutes is zero. Now if you look at all of the doctors who testified the key witness Dr. Schaefer, Dr. Kaminga, Dr. Cooper, all of those people, the what would they expect of sedation with propall if it was an effective dose? Nobody said it could be beyond 15 minutes.
If you look at the telephone records that this I was so distracted with at 10:43 I placed my last call I completed my last call to my administrator in my office because we were talking to the British Medical Board about how I will be registering whether it be short as a fellow for the entire year and between 10:43 and 11:07 there was no phone activity.
The next phone call I got was for one minute call. I don’t know if I answered the call or if there was a voicemail, but I never picked it up. The next time I used that phone was about almost 11:30. >> Well, let’s just let’s just go through that. The phone records say that you made five phone calls.
Now, this is while you’re according to your own time um nomination to the police, the phone records show that you made five phone calls. You received six others and sent numerous texts and emails. Now is that monitoring Michael Jackson? >> If Michael Jackson got 25 milligs of propall slowly infused between 1040 and 1050. Okay.
I did not expect to even have sedation with that tiny dose given to Michael Jackson. Why did I give him such a small dose? I call it miniscule. is because he was already given 4 milligs of vers 4 milligs of valium and because there were other medications that he was given for the sedation even though they were being metabolized and the amounts were being reduced in his system I wanted to be very careful.
So I gave him the small dose. I can tell you Liz, between you and I, if propall was the color of saline, which is like normal water, clear water, I would have given Michael a placebo. I would not have given him propall, but propall is like milk. So he would definitely know that he was getting propall. And when he got 25 milligrams of propall, I did not think I would even see sedation.
But he relaxed slowly after he fell asleep. But I made sure I stayed there. He had a pulse oximter on. His arterial oxygen saturation was like 98 99. His heart rate was about 70 and regular. He had 2 L of oxygen. Okay. And Michael slept. Now, interestingly, he was not snoring. We talked about the the reason for the tape and why he was so interested in knowing if how he snowed and what he sounded like.
>> He was not snoring because he was not snoring. I was more concerned to even remain there longer. So even after he got the proper fall at 10:40, 10:50 and if you look at 15 minutes thereafter, the proper fall effect is gone. The effect is gone even before that 1 minute call came to me at 11:07.
And before I left his bedside at about 11:25 in the morning, I’m still monitoring even beyond that. That’s when I emptied his saline bag is with his his um his 40 catheter and filled the jug with 700 cc’s of urine there. The reason why I’m doing this little things is to see would he wake up, you know, is how how easily he’s going to get out of sleep.
>> But he he kept sleeping. >> Yes. >> And as he kept sleeping, I said, well, okay, fine. So now that the propall is completely out of his system, he’s no he’s not on a propall drip. He’s on plain normal saline. There was no requirement for me to stay there and monitor him. >> Okay.
So you’re confident that you you were measuring correctly how much propol you gave? >> Absolutely. >> There’s no doubt because there was some suggestion there was no measuring device there that could be >> accurate. Accurate. >> That’s not true. The syringe is is is marked very clearly. you know what’s CC, what’s you know ML, it’s clearly marked.
>> The coroner found that Michael Jackson died from acute intoxication of >> propol and that his body had enough propo propol in it that would be equivalent to someone having major surgery. How did that get into his body? Well, this is this takes an education and I mean it has a simple >> but very simple.
I didn’t I did not give it I did not give it to him. >> Okay. So if you didn’t put it there who did >> Michael >> and again I think the deputy coroner has pointed out that that is absolutely absurd. >> No it’s not. It would be almost impossible for him to come out of his sleep, inject the propol and be unconscious and indeed no longer breathing in the two minutes that you say you left the room.
>> One of the good things of the ideal things about the properties of propall is that it is so quick to act and it is so quick for the effect to leave you. >> In 2 minutes he’s come out of his sleep. He’s injected himself with propol that I’m assuming is handy to him to be able to do and then he’s gone back to sleep and blow me down he’s died.
You >> I am saying that Michael Jackson died unfortunately from an accident based upon his actions. Michael Jackson I don’t think would have killed himself. I do not think I have information or felt that Michael Jackson was ever suicide. People who killed him >> I’m not suggesting that he committed suicide.
Well, you know, you rather use the term or you use the thought that if he killed himself. I am not saying >> I’m suggesting you I’m saying that you’re suggesting that he injected that propol that was found in his body. >> I that is a correct statement >> and hand on heart. >> What? >> Hand on heart. You don’t believe that? >> I do not.
I I please I I don’t >> Hand on heart. You don’t believe that. >> You made that up. That’s just not true. >> That’s not That’s not the case. >> If you are his friend, >> you would not tell that story. >> I was not present when Michael Jackson took matters in his own hand. Michael Jackson, as you have realized now, is a drug addict.
>> I’ve got to be honest and say, a court didn’t believe you. >> Well, jurors didn’t believe you. The judge said this was medical madness. That this was a homicide case, not even malpractice. Michael Jackson died because you killed him. >> I did not kill Michael Jackson. I met Michael Jackson in his state.
Lifeless or not. I met him in a state that all I did I did my best to help and to survive to revive him. I did not. The judge can say what he wants. when you were trying to revive uh Michael Jackson. Well, tell me what what was that moment like when you walked into his room and saw he wasn’t breathing? >> Oh my god. It was I was stunned in in a sense.
I mean, initially, you know what happened here? What happened? But as a trained cardiologist, I resuscitate patients night and day. I researched patient that come in with lifeline flat lines in the ambulance just trying to have one to life by a thread. Some of them don’t have life and I bring them back.
So I was killed and I went to assessment to help. The problem is I was all alone in a 14,000 square ft threestory mansion that security maids and anyone else in that house was completely forbidden from the upper level except for me. >> You had your cell phone. >> I had my cell phone. >> You didn’t call 911? >> I did not call 911. >> You called his assistant.
>> Yes. >> To call security. >> Yes. This is vital time. You’re the medical practitioner. You know, 911 call emergency is your first port of call, isn’t it? >> The first port of call for a lay person is to call 911. They’re calling for a skilled person. I am a specialist. I have the skill. I can start immediately.
If you can do CPR as early as possible, that’s great. But I don’t know how long Michael was down. >> So, you didn’t think you needed to call 911? No, I’m not saying I don’t need I needed help. I needed help for sure. >> Well, 911’s your help. >> Well, hold a second. Let me just explain.
I know you’re jumping ahead, but this needs to be developed. Okay. So, there is a central theme of CPR. It’s called the 10% rule. Have you heard it? >> Yes. >> Okay. If a person is down for one minute, there is a 10% chance if you can get to them and start CPR to help them that they will live. 10% mortality rate. But if Michael Jackson was down for 10 minutes, that immediately becomes 100% mortality.
I don’t know how long Michael was down. I was not there. Some >> You were only gone for 2 minutes. >> No, I left the chamber as again as explained to you. I left the chamber next door where I was in the >> But you’re aware of visually. You would have heard him if he was going to be doing something. you lost. >> It’s it’s it’s it’s this room is over 2,000 square foot and and in subc sub it has its subcompartments.
It’s separated and it’s carpeted floor with wood. You don’t have to hear him. I mean, you know, I just did not >> Okay. >> No, >> you find Michael Jackson’s not breathing. You employ CPR. You have a cell phone. You call his assistant and you ask him to call security. To most people, that’s the the the biggest mistake you made was not getting hold of 911 immediately.
Do you regret not making that 911 call? >> I wish I had the capacity to make that call earlier. And yes, I did not use my cell phone, but had I had the landline of that home working, I would have dialed that 911 call and they would have known there is an emergency and they would have come. However, because the 911 calls on the line will give you the immediate address, etc. of the house.
Michael Jackson’s home is not the typical home. And when people look at it, they’re looking at what is typical. People try to get into the homes of stars when they’re not allowed, you know, etc., etc., and there’s a danger of that. Michael Jackson’s security team has been trained that nobody comes through the door.
Actually, two weeks before Michael Jackson’s died, his father Joe Jackson and Randy Jackson came to the door to the to the gate at Homely Hill. They were kicking in that gate trying to at least they were instructed to take them out if they broke the barriers. Okay, the thing is this, there was the protocol of anybody coming there, even the police.
And if you listen to Michael the mayor or one of the other statements of the those people that give testimony, not even the police would not be given access to that home. I had to get help. And the way to get help was to get help through Michael Amir who was in charge of security so he can get security to come to me and then they could call 911 while I use the skills that I had as a trained cardiologist.
That was basically what happened. >> Um Alberto Alvarez, >> yes, >> was the security guard that came to your assistance. He gave evidence saying that you had asked him to remove from Michael’s bedside cabinet uh vials, the IV drip, a bottle of Prepole before asking him to call 911. Is that true? >> No, it’s false. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely without doubt.
>> Completely false. >> Why would he say that? I don’t know his motives. I can tell you that before he made those statements to the police, he had already flown to England on Virgin Airlines to give a paid for interview. Alberto Alvarez has >> there’s no value in him telling a lie. Surely, >> well, let’s look at the evidence.
Alberto Alvarez said he saw a white substance. I saw a white substance at the bottom of the bag. I saw a bottle of propall turn what he described as oblique. There was no propall found in the bag. The device that goes through the bag to reach the saline is not long enough to go through the well before it could even reach to the bag.
So it could not penetrate the neck of the proof bottle if that was the case. The tubing had no fluid in it. Alberto Alvarez says he also saw Dr. Murray pulled the the IV out of Mr. Jackson’s leg. Well, that is false. If you look at all of the paramedics testimony, every one of them described seeing the IV in the leg. They all tried to also test it.
I know as a critical specialist, an IV is essential to support a person because you want to be able to give them medication. Why in on earth would I pull out that IV? I would never do that. Paramedics said they found it. paramedics blunt and all of the others said the ivy was there. Albert Bolto Alvarez said that he he I pulled it out.
Alberto Alvarez said that when I told him to remove things, he lift he went to the top and held the bag with both hands and took it down and then put things away. The funny thing is Alberto Alvarez was eliminated by fingerprints. So, you didn’t ask him to conceal anything. And you didn’t intend to conceal or deceive anyone? >> Zero. >> Did you you didn’t tell the paramedics though that you’d given Michael Jackson propal? >> That’s correct.
>> Why not? >> Because propal was not an issue based upon propal was not an issue based upon the treatment that I had given Michael. >> But you told the paramedics about the other drugs. Why not mention that as as part of what’s >> some of the occurred in the last few >> hours some of some of the other things that they mentioned to the prime ministers the place was really it was it was it was horrible >> but propall is is the one drug that you probably would mention >> but propall had no effect because I understand propal I use propall propall
is totally gone there’s no reason >> as it turns out it was the drug that killed him but it was but it was not related to what I had given him >> but but nonetheless it was one of the drugs you had given him. Surely you would give them a full inventory of what you’d given him. >> I was so involved in saving Mr.
Jackson’s life. You know, nobody >> But you could remember all the other drugs, you left that one out. >> No, I didn’t say that. I left that one out intentionally. I just say it had no impact. There would not make any difference. There was no antidote. Propall takes care of itself. There was no reason to muddy. That’s my specialty.
I can tell you that as a specialist there that day, I was so disappointed in paramedics. Let me tell you, Michael Jackson, I took Michael Jackson’s to the hospital because I was interested in Michael Jackson’s survival. I wanted Michael Jackson to live. I wanted Michael Jackson to regain and restore his life and have some life for him and and his children.
When paramedics came to the home, Alberto Alvarez said that he had helped me to move the Mr. Jackson from the bed. Paramedics could tell you. They saw me with my arms be around Mr. Jackson and they helped to move Mr. Jackson. I told them to be very careful in moving Mr. Jackson. The reason why I could not move Michael by myself is because I did not want to lose his IV.
When they moved him, callous as they were, the IV became dysfunctional. It wasn’t working. When they tested the IV, they could not infuse medicine. So for 25 minutes, they stayed there. They intubated Michael, but they could not get a single drug in his body. And Los Angeles County has a protocol. After 20 minutes, you call it. Call it.
Nobody knew what happened here. You could not get an IV in this man. I went and I got them small IVs to try his leg. I could have put an IV into his groin, but they were getting orders from the emergency room doctor at UCLA. Although I was helping, then finally they got it in the in the neck.
It was after 25 minutes they had access. Then I said to them, well, are you guys not going to give him some bicarbonate? Then they called the doctor and said, well, the doctor here suggested maybe some bicarbonate. She said, give him a half an amp after the man is down. I don’t know how long he was down before I met him and he’s down for 25 minutes and you’ve lost his IV.
A half an amp is nothing. Yes, I’m aware that you were then given control of the >> So I asked to take control and the reason why I asked for control is because I was completely dissatisfied with the performance of paramedics. >> Yes. >> I wanted to take Michael where at least all efforts could be tried and they did try and it did not work.
>> Did you make a call at all in the ambulance while you were traveling to Yes. the hospital and that was to a girlfriend? >> Yes. >> The mother the mother of my child. Why did you make that call? >> I lived there basically during the time I took care of Michael. We had a 90-month-old baby, 90 days old baby. >> Was that on a call though? You could could leave until later.
>> I mean, I can give um I can I’m I’m giving instructions. They’re doing CPR. I can basically said, you know, this is going to be so explosive. I’m telling you what I did not like what wouldn’t you do that afterwards? It did not prevent. >> You have Michael Jackson on a gurnie here. >> Michael Jackson is inside of the ambulance.
>> Yes. >> And there are paramedics. He’s intubated. >> You’re beside him and you make a call. >> No, he’s intubated. He’s intubated >> and other doctors are given medicine and doctors are doing I mean paramedics are doing CPR. Here’s what happened. When you run a code in a hospital, the doctor that is given instructions is not necessarily actively performing the CPR or given the medications at the time.
We ask people to do that. You can do things. You can call and you can give new orders. I made a quick call because I did not want the mother of my 90 day old baby to be totally devastated and modified. I just wanted to say, “Look, Michael has a problem. I’m taking him to the hospital. I’m sure.
Look at the the television. I’m sure. But just don’t don’t worry.” You know, that basically that’s what I was trying to tell her. >> When did you accept that Michael Jackson was dead? Oh. at the UCLA. UCLA I can tell you I tried the best I can. I was one man doing CPR, ventilating him with an amboo bag and I did mouthto-mouth resuscitation.
But I wanted to help Michael wholeheartedly. I loved Michael. I love Michael Jackson. I love him. I am so sorry that Michael Jackson did not tell me about his drug addiction. If Michael Jackson had shared that with me despite the other hidden sorrows and darkness in his life which is so grave, it would have made a whole difference.
My approach would not have been to try to win him off propall. I would have probably encouraged him to get help in an institution and I would have gone with him. Michael Jackson prepared a meal for me every day without me asking for it. Our friendship was not intentional but it it was developed inadvertently on trust and love and a uniqueness and somehow though our lives were parallel there were significant areas where our lives crossed and matched as far as encountering pain and suffering.
Michael Jackson is a beautiful person. I love Michael. I just wanted to help Michael in every possible way that I can. Maybe I could have done like every other body person and maybe walked away and who knows. I don’t know. I don’t I don’t determine life and when existence starts and when it comes to an end that’s left to God. I am a spiritual man.
But I have a heart. I have compassion for people. I I didn’t take money from Michael and even though there was a contract made up for two months, there was another $150,000 for the month before. I just said just dated at that time was no big deal. I’m accustomed giving away the things I make and the money and the material I’ve earned.
I just give it away. But Michael didn’t have anything. And rather than Michael becoming a homeless person on Skidro, he could have used my home. When Michael passed away, he didn’t want to be a bank for his family. He was tired. He was squeezed literally to pulp. Michael Jackson would love to have done the concerts but he did not think he had the capacity to do it and I knew that as a friend.
He shared it with me. He thought about how to how we can have hip surgery and we he talked about having brain transplant. You know what it is to transplant your brain? Because of all of the harsh sorrows and the valleys of darkness that he has lived in all his life, he probably thought that if his brain was transplanted, he would wake up and be a different person.
So we talked about that, too. I showed him. I said, “Michael, could you imagine if I give you my brain and all of a sudden you wake up tomorrow and your eyes look for Conrad Murray and it doesn’t see it sees you be horrific.” You know, you laugh about things like that, but at the same time, you’re as serious as ever. Michael Jackson.
Despite the adversity and the pain that I’ve encountered, the persecution, the name calling, time spent incarcerated, and I’ve literally lost everything materially that I have earned. I still say we beautiful friends. I still think Michael Jackson has a very very dark side but like all men and women not perfect but I love him you know you love somebody if you can love them unconditionally if you love them like how Christ would love any of us we make mistakes and things are not perfect in our lives but he doesn’t blame must for that. The Lord
is always willing to forgive me. >> Do you speak to Michael? >> Have I spoken to him? >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I have. >> The last time Michael spoke to me, this was the day that I when the verdict came for the civil trial. Michael touched me. He put his hand on my shoulder and he touched me and he spoke to me. Michael speaks to me.
He does. >> He does. >> Uh, it’s too emotional to go into to understand. Just too emotional. >> What do we make of a man who slept with a dolly and had a urinary bag attached to him? What do we make of that, >> Michael? I I’m I’m I’m going to be so I’m fair and I’m open. Let me just say that Michael is not a perfect man by far.
Michael has a huge dark shadow. Michael slept with doors. Yes. Is that normal? No, it’s not normal. But if you understood the history of Michael as a child and the things that he has encountered in life and you’re willing to listen, you probably wouldn’t judge him. >> Do you believe he’s a pedophile? >> I am not prepared to answer that question.
Not now. And I tell you that the reason why because my interview with you is quite candid and honest and I would not make up or fabricate anything. But at this time I not willing to answer that question. >> As a friend, as somebody that was his closest friend, I would have expected you to say absolutely not. Well, sometimes expectations are not always satisfied.
But one thing I’ll tell you is this. I may have formed an impression of an individual based upon certain things that I have seen or encountered. >> The reason I’m pressing you is because by saying what you’re saying, you’re are you deliberately muddying the waters here? Because that’s what you’re doing. You’re make you’re leaving it unclear about your thoughts.
Is that fair to Michael Jackson or do you have something that you know I’ll never be unfair to Michael and I’m and I’m not here to destroy Michael. You’ve asked a question and I’m not prepared to answer it. Not now. >> Do you see Michael? I’ve dreamed of Michael many times but he has not appeared to me in spirit but I’ve dreamt about it.
>> What do you dream? >> Oh various things about the good times the things we did together as friends and the time spent together. You know, the way he laughs so broad and careless and so, you know, Michael laugh as if you know, if you if you had a thing on the bucket list that you a good laugh, it comes from deep within.
He is just crazy with laughter. And you know, there’s so many things we’ve done together. I mean, you know, you know, just things we chuckle about and just going through a magazine looking at different models and girls and, you know, pick one, pick yours, I pick mine and, you know, you know, and then we come about different things, you know, of course, I had to always, if I wanted to ever get close to him, I had to pick the most emassiated girl.
He needed bones. Complete bones. He thin >> beyond thin. Okay. Skin holding up a skeleton. You know, it’s very attractive. But there’s a lot to say. There’s a lot. There’s just a lot. And there’s also a lot in my heart that I harbor for Mike. >> You say that um you found music is an outlet for you. Do you >> Music is an outlet for me? >> Yes.
>> Why? >> I heard you singing from the jail. >> It wasn’t an outlet for me. It is a it is a song that Michael and I one of the things where our life cross though I came from a different part of the world and Michael came from another part but probably we both grew up in the same type of small house uh that was you know hard to fit the whole family in and you had to kind of stack yourself up and find your space but um though Michael was a Jehovah witness he did not believe in some of the things of the Jehovah’s
church he Michael had told me that if ever he got sick that the extent that he needed blood transfusion or something like that. Please go against his parents and especially his mother because he would want it to be done and he was given me the authority to do that. He doesn’t put it in writing.
Michael also believed that even though Jew witness did not support Christmas, he wanted his children to have Christmas and they had Christmas. You know, we’ve seen that we stack the the gifts from the bottom of from the basement to the top of the ceiling to give them that effect of gift and and Christmas and the chairs and the carolling. And so he liked that.
And um yeah, he did things for his children. People call him bad names and call him wa because they said he covered his children’s face, but I think Michael had good reasons for that. The children could go to play in the adventure dome and they can go to Disneyland with their heads uncovered and nobody knew who they were at that time.
But had they exposed themselves before, they really would probably have shattered their whole existence as children. They probably couldn’t run free and play and not and be callous. And that’s really what Michael Jackson was doing, covering their faces so that when they are truly exposed and they’re playing, there’s no issues about that. You know, they they can run free.
There’s a there’s a lot to say. There’s a lot we’ve done as friends and that’s why I say our friendship I spent much more time with Michael as a friend as compared to being this position. >> Can I ask you this then? Um what would you have done what would you have done differently? Um, if Michael had shared with me that he had a drug addiction, there is no way in the world I would even have considered bringing more propall to care to help him with his insomnia. I would not have done that.
But this was completely hidden from me and I did not know that. And when Michael Jackson died, I have gone back in retrospect and wonder what about that night, why was he so restless? Why was his insomnia so exacerbated? And it clearly shows in the autopsy of Michael Jackson. Although you heard that he was a demoral addict, he made a song called Demoral.
Michael could not. Michael was in full-blown withdrawal based upon the evidence that is shown. He received his last demoral injections and he was receiving gargantuan levels of of of demoral huge. I’ve never given any patient even for the worst migraine. >> You knew he was going to other doctors though.
But why why were you not able to say to him I need to know your medical history to treat you properly? when I’ve asked him about his medical history, you know, I would expect that Michael Jackson had been going to other doctors. You know, he had had a dermatological issues where he goes to those people. He’s gone to plastic surgeons for a number of years.
Those are other doctors. But I was not aware, neither had he shared with me that he had such a likeness with demoral. Now, if you look at on the 22nd when he got his last shot, Demoral withdrawal, it has a short half-life would peak within 48 to 72 hours. of not having the substance. And the best way to treat demoral addiction, give some demoral.
How do you stop an alcoholic from going into withdrawal? They come to a hospital, give them a drink. Okay. He was lacking the substance and that heightened his insomnia. When Dr. Cherylyn Lee or Nurse Lee when she talked about Michael Jackson calling him and saying that he had chills and all of those types of things and one side of his body may have been hot versus cold is Michael was surreptitiously hiding his withdrawal symptoms from the lack of demoral as you can see how many times he got it and as the doctors now testify he would go
there probably sometime every day of the week or several times during the week. Well, guess what? I was with Michael every day of the week except for Sunday. He never shared with me. Nobody ever told me that Michael was doing that. >> So you regret not knowing Absolutely. everything. >> Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, he’s supposed to let me know. >> And nothing you did, nothing you did with the knowledge that you had, do you regret? Well, I would say and again this is a very this is honest conversation we’re having. I try to take propall from Michael. It may have been in an unorthodox approach. Yes, he had propall. I met him at propall.
Yes, I brought propall while we were having these heavy conversations that I did not want you to continue on that I had a goal. You need to be offered the substance before you start your tour. We’re not going you’re not going to England like this. And I succeeded. And today Michael is not with us. So I am great.
I’m happy that I got him off of the substance, but if Michael had only shared with me that he had a withdrawal from demorall, he probably would not have been in withdrawal that night. And I can tell you if you think about how you treat demorall withdrawal sedatives are very important. He may have been even worse had he not gotten the four milligrams of because that may have attenuated the full-blown effect of what was seen.
But my question was, do you regret based on the knowledge you did have, >> do you regret anything that you did? >> Um, nothing I did that would have hurt him because >> did you get anything wrong? >> What do you mean? >> Based on the knowledge you had, did you do anything wrong? Get anything wrong? >> That’s a good question.
No, I am I am certified in conscious sedation. I gave Michael Jackson propall. I do admit that you heard Michael Jackson on a tape recording which you did not which was never explained before. I told you that Michael Jackson got up that morning wanted to go back to sleep for a little while and there was a propol infusion.
You heard it was very smooth. You heard him coherent throughout. You heard him say I’m going to sleep now. Okay, that was not an issue. Nothing I did created a problem for Michael. Even the 25 milligrams of propall I gave Michael that day slowly infused as recommended over two to three minutes. I did not even expect to get sedation out of that.
Michael Jackson did not snore as he normally would be snoring. Okay, I was concerned that he would be sleeping. I stayed with him. I monitored him long beyond the effect of the propall was completely gone out of his system. You know, something happened in my absence and I would have to say it is based upon his actions and his state of withdrawal whatever it was that day may have driven Michael and the fact that he was an addict. An addict does those things.
He gave himself propall and I think he had an accidental death. Michael did not die because of suicide. He did not take his own life intentionally. >> What responsibility do you take >> for his for his death? >> Yes. >> None. >> None. >> None. >> Absolutely nothing. >> Nothing. Nothing that I gave Michael Jackson should have killed him.
Nothing that I was responsible for should have killed him. >> But he did. Whatever >> he had in his system. >> Well, here’s something. I met him at propall. >> We know that he was asking at the doctors for proper fall. I asked him I would put a cocktail on the details. He wouldn’t give me a phone number. He wouldn’t give me the details.
He keep promising it did not happen. >> So, he was deceiving you. >> Well, that’s for sure. I was deceived. Yes. But I was trying to get information. I was blinded to certain aspects of his life in that setting. And I would say that regretfully if he had shared that with me, as I explained to you before, I would have taken him to to get help. I would have gone with him.
If Michael wanted me to check in an institution with him, I would have done it. I keep him company. What do you say to Michael Jackson’s family and fans who believe that you killed Michael Jackson? >> Well, for the entire spectrum that you’ve shown there, friends and family, I did not kill Michael Jackson. I will now separate the two, Michael Jackson’s family and Michael Jackson’s fan.
The family has not shown any they have not mourned for Michael. Examples of this all of the fans you’ve gone to the memorial service at the Staple Center and you have mourned Michael in a silver casket. Michael is not buried in a silver casket. Michael doesn’t even want to be buried in the state of California. Michael is in Forest London and he doesn’t want to be there.
Michael and I spoke about death and I know exactly what he wanted. The the um Michael is so regretful of the last shred of hope in his family tree that he was hoping would at least one day stand up to help him in his lifetime. And that would have been his mother. But he had transferred that from his mother to Elizabeth Taylor. She knows that that who Michael that’s who Michael considered to the end as his mother.
That’s the relationship that he had. Michael does not have any relationship with his Jackson’s family. I’ll tell this to the friends to the fans. You decide. If you support Michael Jackson and you love Michael Jackson and Michael Jackson is a man of love, then love Michael and Michael will sure want you to know one of these days what are the things that happened to him. Okay.
It is so sad. It is so sad. It behooves anything that I have encountered despite my adversarial incarceration, monumental collapse of all I have earned. Michael Jackson was harmed way beyond his years. Way beyond his years. I don’t even know if I could have lived as long as he can as he had with the pains that he encountered at one point. fans.
Michael Jackson did not feel you loved him. Michael Jackson did not feel he had a lot of fans, especially in California. Maybe he had some more in Europe. But this is how he felt. There were a few regulars that came around his home and exchanged gifts with him and he could almost after a while after a week or so get to know them.
They were the same ones repeating himself. But Michael Jackson felt that he was an alienated. Michael Jackson felt that he had given him up. Nobody showed him love. Michael Jackson was looking for love. When Michael Jackson regurgitated everything in his body and tell me so much of his life with the exception of all these drug addictions which he knew I wouldn’t stand for.
He found for once in his life a human being who did not judge him, who would definitely listen and could still accept him and still be a friend despite his shortfalls. I tell you, continue to love Michael. Continue to give him your support. But I want you to really think, really think. I was in his life for a short time from 2006 to 200 and nine.
But in the whole scheme of his life, many of you would not be able to weather what Michael has encountered. It has been ponderous, unw wildly damaging to a human being that I have ever encountered. >> And to those who would say that you’re nothing but greedy and deluded, >> I have not received a single penny.
I have paid for Michael Jackson’s prescriptions. I have paid for Michael Jackson’s children’s prescriptions and medical equipment or Paris’s shoe. Michael I I’ve paid for the arcades when they wanted to play because Michael didn’t have the money to give them at that point. There isn’t anything I wouldn’t give to Michael.
And I tell you that about greedy. I left my practice weeks on end in Las Vegas, very good practice to go to a low impoverished area of the underserved in Acres Home, Houston to take care of 50,000 minority patients in a 14,000 square miles who did not have a single doctor but had the most severe cardiovascular and peripheral vascular diseases in Harris County in the United States. Did I get paid for that? No.
How did I go to work? I flew with a 757 twice a month. I rented an office there. I gave the care proono. I’m not greedy. Money has never driven me. >> Diluted. >> Deliluted. >> Deluded. >> Deliluted. Well, in what way? in that your view of what has happened to you bears no resemblance to what really happened and that >> take absolutely no responsibility at all.
>> What has happened to me is takes no resemblance of what has really happened. what you have read in the news and all of this deception that you have seen in the courtroom and with the investigation, it is far removed from what the truth is. I was questioned voluntarily for over two and a half hours.
I never told the Los Angeles Police Department, you could not ask me certain questions. I answered the questions as best as I can. Up till today, it fits the evidence. It reconciles with every piece of evidence there. And the whole issue is what you’ve been told or what the media has sensationalized for many of us is not true.
I have I hope that this interview today has helped you to cl to at least help to clarify some of the points you may have. Yeah, it’s good to hear your side of the story, that’s for sure. >> Are you are you a good doctor? >> Oh, you saw my records. I have practiced for more than 20 years. >> You you’re qualified.
No doubt about that. But can you make good decisions? >> Well, you know, I tell you, I have been handling patients, saving their lives on flat lines, hanging by a thread. I have done the cases that many doctors has re have refused in this country where patients had no other choice, no other hope. And that was the end.
And I have saved their lives. And today many of them will testify and tell you if it wasn’t for Dr. Murray who had intervened, they would not been around. I think I am a good doctor. I have had an impeccable medical record and history as far as treating patients. I treat patients in the most litigious states in the country, Nevada, California.
And so I’ve never had a medical malpractice lawsuit. I’ve never been reprimanded by a medical board until all of this has happened. I give of my heart and at the end of my journey on this earth, my work would speak best for me as it has today. You can ask any of my patients and they’re still satisfied. >> You will go down in history as the man though that was >> hopefully with time.
>> You’ll go down in history as the man that was there when Michael Jackson died. Well, I would go down in history as the man nearest Michael Jackson when he died. Again, as I said, I don’t know when Michael Jackson died. I encountered Michael Jackson unex. >> He died on your watch. You can’t deny that. >> You may define it however you want to, but my watch would say if I was supposed to be monitoring Mr.
Jackson, that’s on my watch. Mr. Jackson required no monitoring whatsoever. Clearly he did. >> No, because if you >> would he wouldn’t have died if you’d been absolutely there. >> But if based upon what I gave Mr. Jackson, the effect was completely out of his system and gone. There is no way monitoring was required.
Listen, he was in a normal sailing drip. Is there a requirement to monitor somebody on normal sailing drip? Let me finish. No. And guess what? If I would monitor a patient a normal saline drip if they had a risk for heart failure, if they were dialized and they were getting fluid removed from their body three times a week because their kidneys not working, I wouldn’t even put them in on a saline drip if that was the issue unless the situation really required that.
If somebody had heart failure where they could not push fluid around their body, that’s another reason why you don’t want to overload a patient. Mr. Jackson had a good heart. He did not have heart failure. He did not have kidney failure and there was no requirement for a normal saline drip as I explained to you before and I hope you do understand that there was no effect of the proper fall beyond 15 minutes.
I also hope you understand that despite my telephone usage if you look at the telephone call between the time he was treated and the time I left his bedside prop was completely gone and had no effect. So there we are. Well, we would talk forever, but thank you. >> We can talk forever. >> We would talk forever on that issue.
>> There’s a Well, >> thank you. >> Hopefully, one day we will then and see more and maybe in time, you know, for those who are intelligent and could understand and when they get the the real side of the story, >> the back the nub of what your case stands on >> for you to claim you’re innocent is that Michael Jackson injected himself.
Well, >> and that’s almost if Mike No, it’s not >> too fanciful to take on board. And that >> but that argument was dismissed in court. So, I’m not sure how we’re going to >> it was not dismissed in court. And but that evidence in court did not allow Dr. White, the expert, to expand on what he had known.
He could not even discuss what he had learned from me. And when you one day look at the evidence piece by piece which I hope will be demonstrated and people will understand in clear democration as to what a proof of fall drip would mean why there was no proof of fallen in in a in a in a drip because it was never in the line was not detected when they look at all of them when it’s put together they would realize hopefully with time the public will be educated enough so that they will see the truth.
Let me ask you this then. If you’d got it wrong, would you say >> if I what? >> If you got it wrong, would you say >> absolutely >> you would admit it? >> Absolutely. >> If you had been derelct in your duty, you would admit that >> I said that. There’s no doubt about it.
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